Sound

On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:57:37 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:42:46 +0100, "Max Demian"
wrote:

Is it true that in the early days of colour TV you had to call an engineer
in to degauss your set if you moved it to a different part of the room?

I was a TV engineer when colour TV started and I can't remember ever
having to degauss a set when it had been moved. Sometimes a set needed
degaussing after installation but that wasn't very common. Most sets
were not shaken up too much in the delivery van and the coils usually
stayed in place.

Steve

I blame "Ask" Aspel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAycu4g4qnM
In practice installing a new colour set was largely a plug & play
affair, even the early dual standard ones.


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In article , Brian Gaff
scribeth thus
I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash.
Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment
devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or
whatever to make it worth while.
Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of
bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box?

Brian


Problem is the cabinet size of the new flat panels. We have a SONY TV,
lovely pix but ****e sound which we expected. Fine the TV sound thru the
external amp and Quad ESL's and in my office workshop fine off the TV
card in the PC and the LS3/5A's

In fact excellent sometimes and quite surprising just how good it can
be..
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Tony Sayer

On 14/07/2012 14:08, Brian Gaff wrote:
I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash.
Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment
devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or
whatever to make it worth while.
Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of
bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box?


I don't know - but I've scanned the Wich reviews from time to time. This
is from their top reviewed TV, the £1800 UE55D8000:

---
Sound, as ever with super-slim flat-panel TVs, fails to live up to the
brilliant picture performance. But the D8000 isn't a disaster, and is a
world away from Samsung's first wave of LED TVs a couple of years back.
The audio certainly has plenty of energy compared with many slim-line
TVs, manages a semblance of bass and delivers a fair stereo effect. Yet
the harsh high frequencies help deliver an overall effect that's
soulless and synthetic.

The good news is that you can improve audio by connecting to a
surround-sound system. It's missing the red and white phono outputs to
connect to an older hi-fi, but stereo signals are routed via the Scart,
so a simple Scart-to-phono adaptor (about £10) will do the trick.
---

So I'd guess the answer is 'no'. Which is a shame - you'd think there's
a reputation to be made. I have a JBL dock thing for my phone and the
sound is quite reasonable - fills a room anyway with an attempt at bass.
The 'drivers' are about 1cm, which suggests that it can be done.

Rob

On 15/07/2012 11:52, Jim Lesurf wrote:
From the POV of manufacturers and retailers I suspect there are two main
reasons why they generally don't do that.

1) It is a tacit admission that their 'fashionable' flat panel TVs can't
provide decent sound without a lot of help. (Which might make people start
asking why they've been flogging them for so long already!)

2) That it may deter innocent purchasers who see it in the shop beside sets
that don't "need more boxes", and are probably cheaper because the makers
haven't bothered.

So a mix of 'wife acceptance factor', cost, etc.

I guess they may also be happy in the shop to then sell you 'add ons' like
speakers, amp, etc.

The basic idea, of course, is that consumer goods are made to be*sold*,
not to be*used*.

In theory a flat panel display could be combined with an ESL or DML. But
they'd then have to sell something that "looks like the other panels, but
costs a lot more". So even if the makers are confident they could develop
one, it runs into rules 1 and 2...

When I bought my TV I tried to buy just a panel. Nothing else. Because
I knew I'd soon be buying a PVR (done) and external sound system (not
yet) so I didn't need anything else in the TV.

Couldn't find one.

So now I'm looking for a low-power ethernet hub to network them both,
even though the TV network won't really add anything the PVR can't do
but /she/ has become used to it!

Andy

On 14/07/2012 14:08, Brian Gaff wrote:
I notice that most tvs these days have really awful sound, toppy and brash.
Its a tradition for tvs to be the poor relation of the home entertainment
devices, and I suppose one is supposed to plug it into a surround system or
whatever to make it worth while.
Are there any reasonably priced tvs that do not sound like a bucket of
bolts rattling in a plastic tuppaware box?

Brian

NXT now called Hiwave Technology make a range of flat Surfacesound
speakers. Surely some have been used on TV's. They have been used on
phones and laptops.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distrib...de_loudspeaker.
Derek

In article ,
Andy Champ wrote:
hen I bought my TV I tried to buy just a panel. Nothing else. Because
I knew I'd soon be buying a PVR (done) and external sound system (not
yet) so I didn't need anything else in the TV.

Philips once sort of attempted this with their early Matchline system. But
tried to charge a premium for leaving bits out. 'Twas ever thus...

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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:57:37 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:42:46 +0100, "Max Demian"
wrote:

Is it true that in the early days of colour TV you had to call an
engineer
in to degauss your set if you moved it to a different part of the room?

I was a TV engineer when colour TV started and I can't remember ever
having to degauss a set when it had been moved. Sometimes a set needed
degaussing after installation but that wasn't very common. Most sets
were not shaken up too much in the delivery van and the coils usually
stayed in place.

I blame "Ask" Aspel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAycu4g4qnM
In practice installing a new colour set was largely a plug & play
affair, even the early dual standard ones.

If that's an example of the quality, I'm sticking to black and white.

--
Max Demian

In message , Stephen
Wolstenholme wrote

A problem using external speakers with small TVs is the apparent
misdirection of the sound relative to the picture. The best place for
speakers is just under the screen or a balanced pair, one on either
side of the screen. I find using separate hifi or surround sound
systems distracts from the picture. I like the sound to come from the
same direction as the screen.


That's why a proper surround sound system has a centre front speaker.
Even without a centre front speaker decent AV amps will use the front
left/right speakers to project any centre front (speech) encoding from
the centre.

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Alan
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In article , Alan wrote:

A problem using external speakers with small TVs is the apparent
misdirection of the sound relative to the picture. The best place for
speakers is just under the screen or a balanced pair, one on either
side of the screen. I find using separate hifi or surround sound
systems distracts from the picture. I like the sound to come from the
same direction as the screen.


That's why a proper surround sound system has a centre front speaker.
Even without a centre front speaker decent AV amps will use the front
left/right speakers to project any centre front (speech) encoding from
the centre.

Many years ago in (the now, sadly, doomed) Television Centre, the
maintenance area for Studios 6, 7 and 8 had a separate room for fixing
and testing monitors. There would nearly always be a working one, ready
to go if needed, showing a picture, and there was a loudspeaker unit on
top of a shelf on the opposite side of the room. I was quite surprised
how easy it was to get used to this. I suppose if you see a person's lips
move and hear a synchronised voice, even if the voice comes from behind
your own head, the brain makes the mental adjustment that is necessary to
enable this scenario to make sense.

Rod.
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In article ,
Alan wrote:
That's why a proper surround sound system has a centre front speaker.
Even without a centre front speaker decent AV amps will use the front
left/right speakers to project any centre front (speech) encoding from
the centre.

Which will mess up the balance as determined when the prog was dubbed.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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