On the subject of spectacles

Oh my Gawd, nurse, I told you to remove his SPECTACLES!!!!!

Moving swiftly on......

On my Panasonic 42" plasma from across the room I can't see much difference
on live broadcasts such as the football bewteen HD and SD on sattellite.
Equally, the picture over SCART from my Virgin SD box looks pretty good for
the same programmes, with no real earth shattering difference in the general
picture.

On my smaller 32" HD Ready Panny upstairs, using the Bush HD sattellite box
there is a similar lack of earth shattering difference between HD and SD (I
checked specifically last night watching the Euro football).

However with the upstairs 32" Panny there is a marked difference between the
Bush box over HDMI and the old Sky SD box (gift) over SCART.

So I think the TVs are being clever and 'improving' SD images in most cases.
Only when you see unimproved images do you really notice the difference.
Then again, it could just be a crap Sky box.

Cheers

Dave R

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Or many crap programs.
I want high definition audio as well, indeed I'd love to hear some, any.
Brian

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"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
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Oh my Gawd, nurse, I told you to remove his SPECTACLES!!!!!

Moving swiftly on......

On my Panasonic 42" plasma from across the room I can't see much
difference on live broadcasts such as the football bewteen HD and SD on
sattellite.
Equally, the picture over SCART from my Virgin SD box looks pretty good
for the same programmes, with no real earth shattering difference in the
general picture.

On my smaller 32" HD Ready Panny upstairs, using the Bush HD sattellite
box there is a similar lack of earth shattering difference between HD and
SD (I checked specifically last night watching the Euro football).

However with the upstairs 32" Panny there is a marked difference between
the Bush box over HDMI and the old Sky SD box (gift) over SCART.

So I think the TVs are being clever and 'improving' SD images in most
cases.
Only when you see unimproved images do you really notice the difference.
Then again, it could just be a crap Sky box.

Cheers

Dave R

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No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

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"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
...
Oh my Gawd, nurse, I told you to remove his SPECTACLES!!!!!

Moving swiftly on......

On my Panasonic 42" plasma from across the room I can't see much
difference on live broadcasts such as the football bewteen HD and SD on
sattellite.
Equally, the picture over SCART from my Virgin SD box looks pretty good
for the same programmes, with no real earth shattering difference in the
general picture.

On my smaller 32" HD Ready Panny upstairs, using the Bush HD sattellite
box there is a similar lack of earth shattering difference between HD and
SD (I checked specifically last night watching the Euro football).

However with the upstairs 32" Panny there is a marked difference between
the Bush box over HDMI and the old Sky SD box (gift) over SCART.

So I think the TVs are being clever and 'improving' SD images in most
cases.
Only when you see unimproved images do you really notice the difference.
Then again, it could just be a crap Sky box.

You need to check out a stationary image (such as from a recording),
especially one with hard lines. You usually get some jagged effects with
upscaled images in this case. The difference between HDMI and SCART inputs
would be that a SCART input has to be upscaled by the TV, whereas the HDMI
input will likely be upscaled by the source box (assuming it isn't an HD
input in any case).

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Max Demian

On 17/06/2012 10:59, David WE Roberts wrote:
Oh my Gawd, nurse, I told you to remove his SPECTACLES!!!!!

Moving swiftly on......

On my Panasonic 42" plasma from across the room I can't see much
difference on live broadcasts such as the football bewteen HD and SD on
sattellite.
Equally, the picture over SCART from my Virgin SD box looks pretty good
for the same programmes, with no real earth shattering difference in the
general picture.

On my smaller 32" HD Ready Panny upstairs, using the Bush HD sattellite
box there is a similar lack of earth shattering difference between HD
and SD (I checked specifically last night watching the Euro football).

However with the upstairs 32" Panny there is a marked difference between
the Bush box over HDMI and the old Sky SD box (gift) over SCART.

So I think the TVs are being clever and 'improving' SD images in most
cases.
Only when you see unimproved images do you really notice the difference.
Then again, it could just be a crap Sky box.


I noticed little difference between BBC HD and SD footie on my brother's
new £1k Sony - he explained it was because of the Sony's upscaling. On
my humble Panasonic 37" the difference is obvious - HD is a lot sharper.
I don't seem to be too affected by motion artefacts though.

Rob

"David WE Roberts" wrote:
Oh my Gawd, nurse, I told you to remove his SPECTACLES!!!!!

Moving swiftly on......

On my Panasonic 42" plasma from across the room I can't see much
difference on live broadcasts such as the football bewteen HD and SD on sattellite.
Equally, the picture over SCART from my Virgin SD box looks pretty good
for the same programmes, with no real earth shattering difference in the general picture.

On my smaller 32" HD Ready Panny upstairs, using the Bush HD sattellite
box there is a similar lack of earth shattering difference between HD and
SD (I checked specifically last night watching the Euro football).

However with the upstairs 32" Panny there is a marked difference between
the Bush box over HDMI and the old Sky SD box (gift) over SCART.

So I think the TVs are being clever and 'improving' SD images in most cases.
Only when you see unimproved images do you really notice the difference.
Then again, it could just be a crap Sky box.

Cheers

Dave R


Obviously you won't see much difference on a SCART connection, it carries
SD only.
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"Adrian" wrote in message
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"David WE Roberts" wrote:
Oh my Gawd, nurse, I told you to remove his SPECTACLES!!!!!

Moving swiftly on......

On my Panasonic 42" plasma from across the room I can't see much
difference on live broadcasts such as the football bewteen HD and SD on
sattellite.
Equally, the picture over SCART from my Virgin SD box looks pretty good
for the same programmes, with no real earth shattering difference in the
general picture.

On my smaller 32" HD Ready Panny upstairs, using the Bush HD sattellite
box there is a similar lack of earth shattering difference between HD and
SD (I checked specifically last night watching the Euro football).

However with the upstairs 32" Panny there is a marked difference between
the Bush box over HDMI and the old Sky SD box (gift) over SCART.

So I think the TVs are being clever and 'improving' SD images in most
cases.
Only when you see unimproved images do you really notice the difference.
Then again, it could just be a crap Sky box.

Cheers

Dave R


Obviously you won't see much difference on a SCART connection, it carries
SD only.


Umm...yes...and HDMI carried both SD and HD.
So the SD over HDMI from the Bush box looks better than the SD over SCART
from the Sky box.
Read the top bit and you will see that the SD from the Virgin box over SCART
looks pretty good.
So the point is that not all SD pictures are equal.

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David WE Roberts wrote:
On my Panasonic 42" plasma from across the room I can't see much
difference on live broadcasts such as the football bewteen HD and SD on
sattellite.
Equally, the picture over SCART from my Virgin SD box looks pretty good
for the same programmes, with no real earth shattering difference in the
general picture.

On my smaller 32" HD Ready Panny upstairs, using the Bush HD sattellite
box there is a similar lack of earth shattering difference between HD
and SD (I checked specifically last night watching the Euro football).

However with the upstairs 32" Panny there is a marked difference between
the Bush box over HDMI and the old Sky SD box (gift) over SCART.

So I think the TVs are being clever and 'improving' SD images in most
cases.

Absolutely. Many new TVs have SD to HD upscaling which includes image
enhancement technology to give a picture which though obviously not HD,
comes surprisingly close, at least for good-quality SD material and
viewing distances of say 10 feet from a 40" screen. Thus Toshiba, for
example, have "Resolution+" which they say instantly improves edge
detail and texture, enhancing the picture to "virtually HD picture
quality". Other manufacturers have their own proprietary picture
enhancement processing to improve upscaled SD content, and they make
similar claims.

"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
...
Oh my Gawd, nurse, I told you to remove his SPECTACLES!!!!!

Moving swiftly on......

On my Panasonic 42" plasma from across the room I can't see much
difference on live broadcasts such as the football bewteen HD and SD on
sattellite.
Equally, the picture over SCART from my Virgin SD box looks pretty good
for the same programmes, with no real earth shattering difference in the
general picture.

On my smaller 32" HD Ready Panny upstairs, using the Bush HD sattellite
box there is a similar lack of earth shattering difference between HD and
SD (I checked specifically last night watching the Euro football).

However with the upstairs 32" Panny there is a marked difference between
the Bush box over HDMI and the old Sky SD box (gift) over SCART.

So I think the TVs are being clever and 'improving' SD images in most
cases.
Only when you see unimproved images do you really notice the difference.
Then again, it could just be a crap Sky box.

Cheers

Dave R

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Book yourself an eye-test mate, although check your set up first.

HD will provide a visually MUCH better picture BUT

1. If you are too far away you will not be able to perceive the difference
(~4m for 42")

2. If you are too close you will not be able to see the whole image properly
(~2.5m for 42")

3. If the source material is not really HD it won't make any difference - so
whether it is upscale by the network (esp ITV), by your box or by your TV,
it won't improve the visual quality at all.

Roughly speaking in order of quality : -

VHS on anything
SVHS on anything
NTSC on UHF
PAL on UHF
SECAM on UHF
Composite on RCA/ SCART (as above in same order)
S-Video on S-video / Scart
Component on RCA / SCART
SD by any digital delivery
There were semi digital DMAC and D2MAC, but I think these are now
defunct.
720p SD by any digital delivery (USA)
1080i [HD] by any digital delivery (EU)
1080p [HD] by any digital delivery (Blu-ray)

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"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
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Oh my Gawd, nurse, I told you to remove his SPECTACLES!!!!!

Moving swiftly on......

On my Panasonic 42" plasma from across the room I can't see much
difference on live broadcasts such as the football bewteen HD and SD on
sattellite.
Equally, the picture over SCART from my Virgin SD box looks pretty good
for the same programmes, with no real earth shattering difference in the
general picture.

On my smaller 32" HD Ready Panny upstairs, using the Bush HD sattellite
box there is a similar lack of earth shattering difference between HD and
SD (I checked specifically last night watching the Euro football).

However with the upstairs 32" Panny there is a marked difference between
the Bush box over HDMI and the old Sky SD box (gift) over SCART.

So I think the TVs are being clever and 'improving' SD images in most
cases.
Only when you see unimproved images do you really notice the difference.
Then again, it could just be a crap Sky box.

Cheers

Dave R

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Book yourself an eye-test mate, although check your set up first.


Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Eyes tested every year, can read the bottom line of the chart wearing
spectacles so no problem there.
Why do idiots always assume that your eyesight must be faulty if you don't
agree with their personal and usually very biased view?

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"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
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"R. Mark Clayton" wrote in message
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"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
...
Oh my Gawd, nurse, I told you to remove his SPECTACLES!!!!!

Moving swiftly on......

On my Panasonic 42" plasma from across the room I can't see much
difference on live broadcasts such as the football bewteen HD and SD on
sattellite.
Equally, the picture over SCART from my Virgin SD box looks pretty good
for the same programmes, with no real earth shattering difference in the
general picture.

On my smaller 32" HD Ready Panny upstairs, using the Bush HD sattellite
box there is a similar lack of earth shattering difference between HD
and SD (I checked specifically last night watching the Euro football).

However with the upstairs 32" Panny there is a marked difference between
the Bush box over HDMI and the old Sky SD box (gift) over SCART.

So I think the TVs are being clever and 'improving' SD images in most
cases.
Only when you see unimproved images do you really notice the difference.
Then again, it could just be a crap Sky box.

Cheers

Dave R

--

Book yourself an eye-test mate, although check your set up first.


Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Eyes tested every year, can read the bottom line of the chart wearing
spectacles so no problem there.
Why do idiots always assume that your eyesight must be faulty if you don't
agree with their personal and usually very biased view?


Oh, and you missed off the smiley.
As did I
Assume the last post smilied :-)

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