How are Freeview relay transmitters financed?

On 10/06/2012 23:23, Paul Cummins wrote:
We were about to embark at Dover, when (Graham.) came up
to me and whispered:

The question I posed was not why they did it, it was more why
they kept relatively quiet about it.

Well, I'm not a Freeview fan, yet I know about it, and have done since
2005.

How did you manage to miss its presence between Oct 2002 and 2005 ?


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Probably because the average person listening to the so called information
shows on the radio got so bored with the banal or just on how uninformed
most of the experts were they all drifted off to sleep making a mental note
not to bother till it was time to switch.
Brian

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On 10/06/2012 23:23, Paul Cummins wrote:
We were about to embark at Dover, when (Graham.) came up
to me and whispered:

The question I posed was not why they did it, it was more why
they kept relatively quiet about it.

Well, I'm not a Freeview fan, yet I know about it, and have done since
2005.

How did you manage to miss its presence between Oct 2002 and 2005 ?


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On Jun 10, 5:43 pm, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:33:48 +0100, Roger Mills

Just been staying with a friend in Keswick, who gets Freeview from a
local relay transmitter.

.... If you are watching a relay transmitter you will
receive around 15 digital TV channels.

With a DVB-T2 receiver you can receive 19 (soon
20 channels) including 4 HD (soon 5 HD channels) and
10+ radio stations.

In some cases reception is even less than the PSB muxes
http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/postcodec...12+4TN/NA/0/NA
Even in a case like this (south of Keswick) it may weel be posssible
to get good reception for 5 or all 6 muxes with a large group A
aerial on a tall pole.

In some areas of Wales like this postcode (Colwyn Bay, N Wales)
http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/postcodec...29+9LD/NA/0/NA
The COM muxes from Moel y Parc are marginal, but Winter Hill has
close to perfect signal. Being out of region - Winter Hill COM muxes
are not counted in the Wales coverage.

6 mux coverage is 90+%, but 3 PSB muxes + at least one COM mux
has more like 95-96% coverage.

Lars


Since DSO many viewers can now receive perfectly adequate digital reception
from main transmitters that were virtually useless for analogue reception,
you only have to look here at the number of 'complaints' from people who's
TV or STB is now receiving out of region channels, to see that.
In my area, north Somerset, I now get pretty stable reception on the side of
my group C/D aerial from the Stockland Hill (group A) transmitter, situated
some 50 miles away

On 10/06/2012 21:57, Scott wrote:


The switchover leaflet (delivered to all housholds) also says:

If you choose a Freeview service, the exact number of channels you
receive will depend on which transmitter you get your TV signal from.
Most homes will get more than 40 channels and some will receive around
15. If you are watching a main transmitter and are not getting more
than 15 channels, see page 9 or visit digitaluk.co.uk/postcodechecker

I'm sure you're right. But my DSO was a while ago, and I'm receiving
from a main transmitter and getting more than 40 channels - so I'm not
likely to have paid much attention to the rest of the message! I wonder
what proportion of people travelling on the notional "Clapham omnibus"
would know that people receiving Freeview from relay transmitters only
get a subset of the channels?!
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On 11/06/2012 10:58, Rick wrote:



Since DSO many viewers can now receive perfectly adequate digital
reception from main transmitters that were virtually useless for
analogue reception, you only have to look here at the number of
'complaints' from people who's TV or STB is now receiving out of region
channels, to see that.
In my area, north Somerset, I now get pretty stable reception on the
side of my group C/D aerial from the Stockland Hill (group A)
transmitter, situated some 50 miles away


Less likely in the Lake District (as per my original post) I would have
thought, due to having a few hills to get in the way.
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On Sunday, June 10th, 2012 at 23:00:12h +0100, Graham. explained:

The question I posed was not why they did it, it was more why they
kept relatively quiet about it.

It would be more accurate to say that they tried to keep it relatively quiet.

http://www.guardian.co.UK/media/2008/oct/20/freeview-rural-country-digital-discrimination

A question was even raised in the lower house of the Westminster Parliament
by Michael Moore (LDP) member for Berwickshire, Roxburgh, and Selkirk.

http://www.michaelmoore.org.uk/speeches-view.php?id=95

There was a suggestion (unfounded however) if I recall correctly that the policy
deliberately or predominately disadvantaged Westminster Parliament constituencies
with LDP elected representatives.

As always the government absolves its-self of all responsibility in the matter.

"It is a commercial matter for the commercial operators whether they
extend their coverage beyond 90%, not a matter for government."

-- Nameless spineless spokesperson at the DCMS

On 10/06/2012 16:24, J G Miller wrote:

It is the peoples of Cymru (both native Celts and immigrant
Anglo-Saxons)

Did you know that 90% of the indigenous population of England are ethic
Celts? This is similar to the rest of the British Isles.

Your implication that the Welsh are somehow different is complete
********. The mongoloid appearance of many Welsh people is due to
inbreeding.

Is "Cymru" the only Welsh word you know?

On 10/06/2012 16:56, Brian Gaff wrote:
All very well, but in the old days, often the relay would be able to work
from the reception of the main signal. I think the most famous one was in
the Channel islands with its adaptive array to get rid of the French
stations, so one wonders why its not done like that now?

In all but a few cases it is, but only for three of the six muxes. The
explanation for this has already been accurately given by JG Miller.

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mb

On 11/06/2012 12:08, Roger Mills wrote:

I'm sure you're right. But my DSO was a while ago, and I'm receiving
from a main transmitter and getting more than 40 channels - so I'm not
likely to have paid much attention to the rest of the message! I wonder
what proportion of people travelling on the notional "Clapham omnibus"
would know that people receiving Freeview from relay transmitters only
get a subset of the channels?!

The real question should be "what percentage of those who know or care
are aware that a subscription-free alternative is available?"

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mb

On Monday, June 11th, 2012, at 22:11:22h +0100, Silk asked:

Is "Cymru" the only Welsh word you know?

No, I can manage "araf" as well cos it is frequently painted
on the surface of the road.