Pro's and cons of different tv types

On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:49:07 +0100, "David"
wrote:

For what its worth my brother who is very fussy about picture quality got
this deal from John Lewis this week.

Paying the John Lewis price should include a selection of TV types to
test!

Steve

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On 21/04/2012 17:33, Ian Jackson wrote:
On 21/04/2012 17:26, Adrian wrote:




Well your post looks absolutely fine to me.

Well, it would do - as I was using Turnpike.

However, this is Thunderbird. It will look the same.

Oops! - apart from not having an automatic signature.
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On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:46:27 +0100, "David"
wrote:

Your choice Adrian.
Another NG that had complainers seems to be able to follow my posts now.
By the way I have had Windows 7 a while now the latest WLM came with it.
Regards
David

It's not just Adrian. The majority of Usenet people think WLM is a
load of rubbish. I have used Agent for years and find it works
perfectly in Windows 7. You don't have to use WLM.

Steve

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On 21/04/2012 09:49, David wrote:
Bet that gets some confusing answers.
For what its worth my brother who is very fussy about picture quality
got this deal from John Lewis this week.
http://www.johnlewis.com/231589058/Product.aspx
Regards
David

He may be fussy about picture quality, but he may also be an enthusiast
that enjoys most of the connectivity options and additional features
that swayed him to choose that particular set - i.e. he read the
specification, read reviews, chose the model and then looked around for
the deal. I enjoy that kind of stuff myself, such a geek....

What I don't enjoy, is others seeing that because this 'fussy' person
has chosen that particular set, thinking that this set must be perfect
for them as well. Or blindly following a 'Which' recommedation without
reading the editorial.

In many cases it isn't a good match, and I get called in to dumb it
down. There is no teamviewer/logmein for a TV, I wish there was.

So 20% of the whole functionality is used, 80% wasted. What's the point
of that? Ah, got to show the Jones' we have great taste. We got a £3000
Plasma, same as Bill the 'expert'.

So several complaints later on how complicated it is to use day to day,
can't fathom out the instructions book, never mind finding out how to
retune it for DSO, or get the best out of the 'Smart' premium set by
actually giving it an internet connection, or NOT putting all four
satellite speakers in a clump underneath the TV.

A waste on resources....

Not a dig at you David (or your brother), but ye see where I'm coming from?

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On 21/04/2012 9:49 AM, David wrote:

"Hugh Newbury" wrote in message ...

I'm thinking of getting a new tv, but I know nothing of the advantages
or otherwise of the various types: OLED, edge lit, plasma, etc. I have
googled, but can't find a site that explains the basics.

Any advice from you knowledgeable lot?

TIA

Hugh




want really big? - go plasma
want smaller than 42" - go lcd
oled - fantastic but also fantastically expensive and there's nothing
over 14" on sale anyway.
you'll see so called led sets on sale but they are just lcd ones with
leds providing the backlight - hence slimmer than a regular lcd.

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In article , Ian Jackson ianREMOVETHISBITja
scribeth thus
On 21/04/2012 17:26, Adrian wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Adrian
writes
David wrote:
I'm on MicroSoft Windows Live Mail and people complain that it not
show the marks.
Regards
David

So get a popper newsreader or end up in lots of killfiles.

I'm experimenting with Thunderbird (in parallel with my normal
Turnpike). Without checking, I'm pretty sure that Thunderbird has the
option of automatically putting the reply cursor either at the top or
the bottom. And, like any good e-mail/news client, it also does quotes
properly. To do things wrongly, you really have to try hard.

Well your post looks absolutely fine to me.

Well, it would do - as I was using Turnpike.

However, this is Thunderbird. It will look the same.

Yes excellent system ye olde pike, here using VER 5.02;!...
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Snip..

LCD SCREENS
===========

Backlight bleed is a major issue for every LCD screen you can buy (but
see the following paragraphs). If you like watching in the dark, you
WILL see it in the dark areas of the picture - a grey glow rather than
a rich black.

Dynamic backlighting is of little help - if a picture has a large
amount of dark in it, the overall backlighting intensity is lowered to
reduce visible bleed in the dark areas. It's hopeless because it also
dims the remaining bright bits. Also, you can often see the backlight
"pumping" as the picture content changes. It drove me mad.

Zoned backlighting is the only way to go for LCD if you're fussy. I do
not recommend the crude zoning offered by some manufacturers, whereby
the lights are around the edge of the screen and they can control (to
some extent) the brightness where the vertical and horizontal lights
intersect (typically eight zones, I seem to recall). I've watched it
carefully and it looks crap.

The best results come from "array" backlighting, whereby there is an
array of hundreds (or thousands) of LEDs behind the LCD screen. This
gives far tighter control over which parts of the screen are lit, and
eliminates bleed in the dark areas because those LEDs are switched off.

Almost. My £3.5k Sony has 128 backlight zones, which means some minor
"blooming" of the backlight is visible around small bright objects,
because the zones are much bigger than the individual pixels. However,
this is a tiny problem compared with the alternatives.

Until we get a backlight LED for every pixel, zoned backlighting will
not be perfect, but it is MILES better than any other approach for LCD
screens.


Steve..

It almost seems to me that your a bit excessive re this matter. I don't
know if you have seen any recent TV's but I've tried to see this fault
on our Bravia and really cannot. I've looked in the dark but really its
hardly noticeable and in normal use with subdued lighting I've quite
frankly never been distracted by it.

I have been by other things like poor original source material and poor
film colour balance etc and low bit rates and other silly artistic
effects but in all I now consider the picture to be rather good and in a
lot of instances better than he CRT it replaced. When HD is good, OK to
get really good HD you have to go "off sat" from Germany its super! As
is a good Blu ray disc.

When we were looking for a Flat panel around a year ago I did see a lot
of what I'd call "annoying" ones least the demo pix on them but not with
this one.

Its really only the programming that should attract complaints
nowadays...
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In article , Stephen
Wolstenholme scribeth thus
On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:49:07 +0100, "David"
wrote:

For what its worth my brother who is very fussy about picture quality got
this deal from John Lewis this week.

Paying the John Lewis price should include a selection of TV types to
test!

Steve


Well when we got ours they were about much the same price as online and
al least had some helpful knowledgeable staff around, an order better
than what we experienced at Richersounds and Comet and other white goods
warehouses...


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Tony Sayer

In article , Graham C
scribeth thus
On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:27:43 +0100, Hugh Newbury
wrote:

On 21/04/12 08:53, Hugh Newbury wrote:
I'm thinking of getting a new tv, but I know nothing of the advantages
or otherwise of the various types: OLED, edge lit, plasma, etc. I have
googled, but can't find a site that explains the basics.

Any advice from you knowledgeable lot?

Thanks all for the excellent help and advice. I'll think about it for a
month or two!

Hugh

In a month or two everything will have changed. Sets with scarts are
becoming somewhat rare - they may have disappeared completely on
anything worth buying.

I have an LCD Sony (EX503). Two friends (on my advice) have recently
bought LED backlit versions (EX7xx) as the CFL versions are now
obsolete. IMO the picture is a little inferior - the sound definitely
is.


As it seems is with all flat panel TV's . How can you get a good sound
with such a small flat thin case?...

And plastic to boot;!..

GrahamC.

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Tony Sayer

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In article , Ian Jackson ianREMOVETHISBITja
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On 21/04/2012 17:26, Adrian wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Adrian
writes
David wrote:
I'm on MicroSoft Windows Live Mail and people complain that it not
show the marks.
Regards
David

So get a popper newsreader or end up in lots of killfiles.

I'm experimenting with Thunderbird (in parallel with my normal
Turnpike). Without checking, I'm pretty sure that Thunderbird has the
option of automatically putting the reply cursor either at the top or
the bottom. And, like any good e-mail/news client, it also does quotes
properly. To do things wrongly, you really have to try hard.

Well your post looks absolutely fine to me.

Well, it would do - as I was using Turnpike.

However, this is Thunderbird. It will look the same.

Yes excellent system ye olde pike, here using VER 5.02;!...

Good man.
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Ian