Circumventing Patientline

On 18/03/2012 19:10, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Scott
writes



I would be less concerned about the cost than about having the correct
coinage to make payment.

Exact coinage? These days, most pay-as-you-leave machines give change -
and take plastic.

Except our local hospital ripped out the pay-as-you-leave machines and
switched to pay and display. £2 for first 2 hours...

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:15:11 -0000, "Norman Wells"
wrote:

The average employed person is paying £4000 a year in taxes just for the
NHS.

In that case, it's not free.

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On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:19:05 -0000, "Norman Wells"
wrote:

Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 23:42:44 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Norman Wells wrote:

Not if you deduct board and lodging costs. Even if you pay for an
unnecessary TV in hospital, you'll still be well in pocket over
staying at home providing your own heating, lighting, food and
drink.

You still have to pay rent and rates and standing charges for the
house even when you're away in hospital.

That's a valid point. It cost me more to keep my house in order when I
was in hospital for four months. When I got home I had over £1000 in
bills that still needed to be paid.

Maybe you did, but that doesn't prove anything. The bills could hardly
be higher when you were away than if you were there.

They were higher because I wasn't at home to turn things off when I
went to bed.

It just doesn't
make sense. You'd have been using far less gas, electricity and water
for a start, as well as having no expenditure on food and drink.

Electricity is used under floor to heat one room. I would normally
have switched it off at night but it was on all the time. Gas was the
big problem. Four months of central heating on 24 hours a day added up
to a much greater amount than I was using before I went into hospital.
I know all these problems should have been on automatic timers but
they weren't. My water is not metered. The only thing I saved on was
food and drink.

Steve


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On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:41:19 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:19:05 +0000, Norman Wells wrote:

You'd have been using far less gas, electricity and water
for a start, as well as having no expenditure on food and drink.

Are not the bulk of these utility bills for most people in the
UKofGB&NI so called "standing charges" rather than metered usage?

They are a combination of both standing charges and metered usage.

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On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:43:48 +0000, Alan
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:15:11 -0000, "Norman Wells"
wrote:

The average employed person is paying £4000 a year in taxes just for the
NHS.

In that case, it's not free.

Correct. The standard phrase is "free at the point of delivery".

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Jim Lesurf wrote:

I don't think car parking charges have any bearing whatsoever on medical
outcomes.

It was clear that you "think" that. But people "think" all kinds of things
that simply aren't true. So that tells us nothing beyond what you choose to
believe.

If you want to try and stand up your personal beliefs as being 'fact' then
produce the results of the studies that show that the way people are
treated (in the general sense, and wrt this specific issue) has no impact
on medical outcomes. Give the references and let people decide on the
facts. Not on being expected to accept what you "think", or by dismissing
the possibility.

This is casual chat Jim. You know, like in the pub. People can express
an opinion without having done a research project.

You should just take it as it's meant. "I think" means just that. No more.

Bill

Jim Lesurf wrote:

But again, if you are seriously unwell and frightened or worried, or have
mental illness problems, that is easier said than done. The basic
difficulty with a lot of the beliefs thrown around as if 'facts' in this
thread is that they simply don't take into account the compexity of the
cases. People may be in too much pain, or too much of a rush, etc, to
pause and carefully research if the WRVS can help them with a 'car'
or visit the CAB for info, or whatever.

There's not a lot can be done about that.

Bill

Roderick Stewart wrote:

There are, but you have to find out where and when they run, and unless
you're very lucky the journey you actually need to make will take at
least three times as long as the same journey by car.

Rod.
That's why the anti-car greeny lobby is talking ********.

Bill

In message , David Hearn
writes
On 18/03/2012 19:10, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Scott
writes



I would be less concerned about the cost than about having the correct
coinage to make payment.

Exact coinage? These days, most pay-as-you-leave machines give change -
and take plastic.

Except our local hospital ripped out the pay-as-you-leave machines and
switched to pay and display. £2 for first 2 hours...

Crazy.
--
Ian

Norman Wells wrote:

I can't help contrasting the charges with the 50p a week prisoners pay
for TV.

Yes, but it's all artifical in prison. A weeks work only brings in
about £8-10, out of which prisoners have to buy all their necessities,
All necessities are provided. Human Rights legislation.

Bill