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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

You making judgements based on what you see.
Me doing same as everyone else then.

Without knowing the full
facts.
You know full facts? Me not know full facts. Who know full facts?

Bill

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

You making judgements based on what you see.
Me doing same as everyone else then.

Without knowing the full
facts.
You know full facts? Me not know full facts. Who know full facts?

Bill

I know I know you don't have the full facts. Even you now know this.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

You making judgements based on what you see.
Me doing same as everyone else then.

Without knowing the full
facts.
You know full facts? Me not know full facts. Who know full facts?

Bill

I know I know you don't have the full facts. Even you now know this.

I know now I now know you know nowt.

Bill

On 21/01/2012 14:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In aweb.com,
wrote:
I used to manage 1000s of these flats - Brixton, Peckham, Canning Town.
Some of the poorest places in the UK. Based on what I saw you're wrong.
many many decent people trying really hard to get by.

Yup.

I'm now getting reports of some who are doing courses - trying to improved
themselves and get employment - having to make the choice of going to the
course and paying the transport costs or eating.


Which is actually what I ended up getting involved with - teaching at a
local FE college in Hackney. I taught over 1000 people from the local
estates. Many I know made huge sacrifices and went on to do, well, what
they wanted to do - decent job, decent pay.

Funding was slashed at/around 2000 for the vocational courses (level 3/4
anyway) so that's that.

I'd love to see those who think such people live a life of luxury actually
try and live on basic benefits. Not just for a week or two. So that
occasional bills have to be paid too.


I do have some sympathy* with Bill - a lot of people think that way.
Poor people get hold of the money somehow to have the upfront costs of
things like sofas and Sky. Peer pressure, kids, dignity, just to try and
live a normal life. Sheffield's latest retail explosion are those fkn
homeshops (take home today and pay for eternity). Anyway.

Rob

* well, more I can begin to understand. People often see what they want
to see.

Rob wrote:

I do have some sympathy* with Bill - a lot of people think that way.
Poor people get hold of the money somehow to have the upfront costs of
things like sofas and Sky. Peer pressure, kids, dignity, just to try and
live a normal life. Sheffield's latest retail explosion are those fkn
homeshops (take home today and pay for eternity). Anyway.

Rob

* well, more I can begin to understand. People often see what they want
to see.


You seem to think that I dislike and have no sympathy for the poor. The
opposite is the case. If you knew about some of the things I have done
and continue to do to help out you might understand.

On every estate there are proud honest people, with immaculately clean
houses. They feed their children as well as they can and they bring them
up as good citizens. In other words, they do their very best. These
people, more than anyone else, despise the scroungers who live amongst
them.

My animosity and contempt is for those who deliberately play the system
in order to avoid work. A minority yes, but there are enough of them
that it is thought worthwhile to put adverts on the telly asking people
to shop them. And the fact is, I do meet these people. They do exist.
They do laugh at the rest of society. It is a lifestyle choice. They do
boast about never having had a job.

Bill

In article , J G Miller wrote:
There are more types of inheritance than genetic inheritance. The way
children grow up will depend on everything in their immediate
environment, the attitudes of those around them, and the opportunities,
educational and otherwise, that their parents provide for them.

But what you describe is learned behavior from the environment,
not inheritance.

Yes, and a child's environment includes its parents' behaviour, attitudes
and values, and anything they deliberately or unconsciously teach it, which
will inevitably include their decision to live in the way that they do.

Inheritance is just something that is passed on to the next generation,
regardless of the method. Some things are passed on genetically, and some
things are passed on by example.

Rod.
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On Saturday, January 21st, 2012, 22:49:49h +0000, Roderick Stewart wrote:

Inheritance is just something that is passed on to the next generation,
regardless of the method.

Like at school when the old teacher teaches the next generation how to
do something by example, the pupils inherit that behavior?

Cue quote from "Through the Looking Glass (And What Alice Found There)" ...

In article , J G Miller wrote:
Inheritance is just something that is passed on to the next generation,
regardless of the method.

Like at school when the old teacher teaches the next generation how to
do something by example, the pupils inherit that behavior?

Cue quote from "Through the Looking Glass (And What Alice Found There)" ...

It's such a simple concept I'm surprised that anybody could be unable to
grasp it. As an intelligent lifeform that creates societies and
relationships, rather then simply reproducing mindlessly as most do, we are
not restricted to genetics for passing things on.

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On Sunday, January 22nd, 2012, at 10:28:20h +0000,
Roderick Stewart wrote:

As an intelligent lifeform that creates societies and
relationships, rather then simply reproducing mindlessly
as most do, we are not restricted to genetics for passing
things on.

Passing things on through teaching is not inheritance,
whether or not that teaching is within the family or not.

Inheritance has a distinct and clear meaning, especially in the
sociological context under distinction.

Definition of INHERIT
transitive verb

1 to come into possession of or receive especially as a right
or divine portion and every one who has left houses or brothers
or sisters …
for my name's sake, will receive a hundredfold,
and inherit eternal life — Matthew 19:29 (Revised Standard Version)

2 : to receive from an ancestor as a right or title descendible by law
at the ancestor's death b : to receive as a devise or legacy

3: to receive from a parent or ancestor by genetic transmission
inherit a defective enzyme

4: to have in turn or receive as if from an ancestor
inherited the problem from his predecessor

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:56:57 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
charles wrote:
How is the NHS supposed to be enabling holidays in Spain?

by giving people more spending power since they don't have to pay the
doctor (or hospital). fairly obvious, really.
Since when was the NHS free?
Since 1948.

In the last ten years my wife has had two major operations,
chemotherapy, radio therapy, and prologued hospital treatment twice for
heart failure. I've had two operations. We haven't paid a penny.

The standard phrase is "Free at the point of delivery". It is not free
because it is paid for via taxation. If the NHS were to be closed down
tomorrow our taxes could be reduced. (Of course any government would
find an urgent need for the released revenue to be spent on something
else.)

The point is that whether or not we had the treatment we would be in the
same position, financially. So for the people we are discussing the
service is effectively free.

Buy a coffee and you pick up as much sugar as you like. The sugar is
effectively free once you've bought a coffee.


Isn't the clue in the words National 'Insurance', paid for by both employer
and employee, the major weakness being that free Healthcare is dished out to
dysfunctional people and recent arrivals who haven't (or never will)
contribute a penny piece, something that I doubt very much was envisaged in
its original implementation.