Even M&S are at it

Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Gary
writes
On 05/01/2012 19:00, Steve Thackery wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:

I know this has been discussed ad nauseam, but how the hell can a
"Full HD" telly NOT have an HD tuner?

At risk of rising to the bait, doesn't "Full HD" simply refer to the
resolution that the screen can display? Nothing to do with what the
tuner can do, or even whether it's got one.

In my view, the HD, HD Ready and Full HD confusion must count as one
of the classic branding blunders of our time.

It is not branding it is marketing. But I agree it is a mess

So, if 'Full HD' doesn't get you a fully operational Full HD TV set, can
someone please remind me which of the approved weasel-words you need to
look for in order to get what you expect to get?

If you don't know by now you're obviously too thick to understand!

--
Adrian

In message , Adrian
writes
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Gary
writes
On 05/01/2012 19:00, Steve Thackery wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:

I know this has been discussed ad nauseam, but how the hell can a
"Full HD" telly NOT have an HD tuner?

At risk of rising to the bait, doesn't "Full HD" simply refer to
the resolution that the screen can display? Nothing to do with what
tuner can do, or even whether it's got one.

In my view, the HD, HD Ready and Full HD confusion must count as
one of the classic branding blunders of our time.

It is not branding it is marketing. But I agree it is a mess
So, if 'Full HD' doesn't get you a fully operational Full HD TV set,
can someone please remind me which of the approved weasel-words you
need to look for in order to get what you expect to get?

If you don't know by now you're obviously too thick to understand!

I wouldn't say 'that thick'. However, apparently I do suffer from the
distinct disadvantage of having English as a mother-tongue!
--
Ian

On 06/01/12 13:39, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Adrian
writes
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Gary
writes
On 05/01/2012 19:00, Steve Thackery wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:

I know this has been discussed ad nauseam, but how the hell can a
"Full HD" telly NOT have an HD tuner?

At risk of rising to the bait, doesn't "Full HD" simply refer to
the resolution that the screen can display? Nothing to do with what
tuner can do, or even whether it's got one.

In my view, the HD, HD Ready and Full HD confusion must count as
one of the classic branding blunders of our time.

It is not branding it is marketing. But I agree it is a mess
So, if 'Full HD' doesn't get you a fully operational Full HD TV set,
can someone please remind me which of the approved weasel-words you
need to look for in order to get what you expect to get?

If you don't know by now you're obviously too thick to understand!

I wouldn't say 'that thick'. However, apparently I do suffer from the
distinct disadvantage of having English as a mother-tongue!

I don't think that is a disadvantage; the disadvantage is being well
versed in the language, unlike modern "native English" speakers (or
those taught at a school in England after 1960) :-)

--
PeeGee

"Nothing should be able to load itself onto a computer without the
knowledge or consent of the computer user. Software should also be able
to be removed from a computer easily."
Peter Cullen, Microsoft Chief Privacy Strategist (Computing 18 Aug 05)

On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 13:39:22 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Adrian
writes
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Gary
writes
On 05/01/2012 19:00, Steve Thackery wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:

I know this has been discussed ad nauseam, but how the hell can a
"Full HD" telly NOT have an HD tuner?

At risk of rising to the bait, doesn't "Full HD" simply refer to
the resolution that the screen can display? Nothing to do with what
tuner can do, or even whether it's got one.

In my view, the HD, HD Ready and Full HD confusion must count as
one of the classic branding blunders of our time.

It is not branding it is marketing. But I agree it is a mess
So, if 'Full HD' doesn't get you a fully operational Full HD TV set,
can someone please remind me which of the approved weasel-words you
need to look for in order to get what you expect to get?

If you don't know by now you're obviously too thick to understand!

I wouldn't say 'that thick'. However, apparently I do suffer from the
distinct disadvantage of having English as a mother-tongue!

Quite. If the industry never meant HD Ready to mean ready for you to
bring your own HD source, and only meant it to refer to a certain
screen resolution, then why is it "Full HD" and not "Full HD Ready"
to maintain consistency?

--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

Graham. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 13:39:22 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Adrian
writes
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Gary
writes
On 05/01/2012 19:00, Steve Thackery wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:

I know this has been discussed ad nauseam, but how the hell can a
"Full HD" telly NOT have an HD tuner?
At risk of rising to the bait, doesn't "Full HD" simply refer to
the resolution that the screen can display? Nothing to do with what
tuner can do, or even whether it's got one.

In my view, the HD, HD Ready and Full HD confusion must count as
one of the classic branding blunders of our time.

It is not branding it is marketing. But I agree it is a mess
So, if 'Full HD' doesn't get you a fully operational Full HD TV set,
can someone please remind me which of the approved weasel-words you
need to look for in order to get what you expect to get?
If you don't know by now you're obviously too thick to understand!

I wouldn't say 'that thick'. However, apparently I do suffer from the
distinct disadvantage of having English as a mother-tongue!

Quite. If the industry never meant HD Ready to mean ready for you to
bring your own HD source, and only meant it to refer to a certain
screen resolution, then why is it "Full HD" and not "Full HD Ready"
to maintain consistency?

In the case of Sainsbury's (Celcus) "Full HD" telly, it might be argued
that since it has its own built-in HD media player, it doesn't need an
external HD source, so it isn't simply ready for HD!

In message , John
Legon writes
Graham. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 13:39:22 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Adrian
writes
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Gary
writes
On 05/01/2012 19:00, Steve Thackery wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:

I know this has been discussed ad nauseam, but how the hell can
a "Full HD" telly NOT have an HD tuner?
At risk of rising to the bait, doesn't "Full HD" simply refer to
resolution that the screen can display? Nothing to do with what
tuner can do, or even whether it's got one.

In my view, the HD, HD Ready and Full HD confusion must count as
one of the classic branding blunders of our time.

It is not branding it is marketing. But I agree it is a mess
So, if 'Full HD' doesn't get you a fully operational Full HD TV
set, can someone please remind me which of the approved
weasel-words you need to look for in order to get what you expect to get?
If you don't know by now you're obviously too thick to understand!

I wouldn't say 'that thick'. However, apparently I do suffer from
the distinct disadvantage of having English as a mother-tongue!
Quite. If the industry never meant HD Ready to mean ready for you to
bring your own HD source, and only meant it to refer to a certain
screen resolution, then why is it "Full HD" and not "Full HD Ready"
to maintain consistency?

In the case of Sainsbury's (Celcus) "Full HD" telly, it might be argued
that since it has its own built-in HD media player, it doesn't need an
external HD source, so it isn't simply ready for HD!

When I ask the barman for a pint of beer, I don't expect to be given a
half-full pint glass, together with a promise from the barman that the
brewer is still brewing the rest of my beer, so (provided I make an
additional payment) I might soon be able to have my glass topped up to
the pint mark.
--
Ian

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 19:00:11 GMT, Steve Thackery
wrote:

Ian Jackson wrote:

I know this has been discussed ad nauseam, but how the hell can a "Full
HD" telly NOT have an HD tuner?

At risk of rising to the bait, doesn't "Full HD" simply refer to the
resolution that the screen can display? Nothing to do with what the
tuner can do, or even whether it's got one.

In my view, the HD, HD Ready and Full HD confusion must count as one of
the classic branding blunders of our time.

When I worked for one of the big TV rental outfits an edict came
through saying we were not to refer to our new model as a stereo TV,
instead we were to call it a Stereosound TV
This was before NICAM, the set has two speakers and amplifiers but
could only reproduce stereo from a source connected to the rear DIN
inputs. In practice a VHS.


--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:30:49 +0000, Richard Tobin wrote:

In article , Richard
wrote:

I prefer this one

http://www.poundland.co.uk/product-r...dmi-cable-for-
home-
entertainment/

With HDMI being digital the lead will either work or not!

Or maybe it will work for a while, and then break like this:

http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~richard/hdmi.jpg

Digital signals don't mean you can't make a poor quality cable.

-- Richard

I take you point re Poundland build quality.

I see Tool station claim to stock "High Quality braided fully screened"
HDMI leads & "V1.4 certified".

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Elec...I+Lead+V14+1m/
d190/sd3084/p95266

Richard

On Friday, January 6th, 2012, at 08:24:29h +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:

So, if 'Full HD' doesn't get you a fully operational Full HD TV set

"Fully operational" in what sense?

If you want it to be fully operational in being able to receive
Freesat HD, then it must have a DVB-s/DVB-s2 tuner and MPEG-2/MPEG-4
decoder plus the proprietary Freesat software.

If you want it to be fully operation in being able to receive
Freeview HD, then it must have a DVB-t/DVB-t2 tuner and MPEG-2/MPEG-4
decoder plus the appropriate Freeview software for EPG and MHEG.

Similary if you want it to be fully operational in being able to
receive cable.

And if you want it to be fully operational in being able to receive
encrypted video HD streams from satellite or terrestrial, then it will
need a Common Interface (CI) for a CAM.

And if you want it to be fully operational in being able to receive
IPTV and iPlayer, then it will need an network ethernet socket
and the appropriate software.

And if you want it to be fully operational in being able to play
video files from a USB disk, then it will need a USB socket and
appropriate software.

So you see it all depends on what you mean by "fully operational".

The obvious thing to do is to check the specifications for the
model in question. No weasel words involved.

On Friday, January 6th, 2012, at 10:28:33h +0000, Graham. wrote:

Don't be daft, the ones with a HD tuner will be clearly badged
"Æthelred".

There is no such thing as an HD tuner.

It is like using the term digital antenna.

The tuner does not care whether or not the broadcast signal contains
SD video or HD video or audio or just data (eg receiver software upgrade).