Jim Lesurf's messages delayed

John Hall wrote:

The Date header shows when he finished composing his post, and the
NNTP-Posting-Date header shows when the news server that he used
received it. The -0600 indicates that it's in a time zone 6 hours behind
GMT, ie somewhere in the us. So we have to add 6 hours to get the time
in GMT, in this case 9:39. So he composed the post late Wednesday
afternoon, but didn't post it till this (Thursday) morning, some 16
hours later.

Thank you for that. And there I was thinking it was me.

Bill

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Dave Farrance wrote:
No. A look at his message headers shows that the date attached to his
messages is usually hours earlier than the actual posting date as noted by
the news-server (i.e. the "NNTP-Posting-Date:" header). The headers also
show that he's using the "RISC-OS" operating system as used on the
venerable Acorn Archimedes, so I'd guess that he's writing the messages
and "posting" them to an internal spool on his machine, and then hours
later he connects to the Internet and the messages are sent in bulk.

Since Jim hasn't likely yet read this I can sort of reply. He does use
RISC OS, as do I, but not on an Archimedes. (You can buy brand new
machines running RISC OS) That he's using RISC OS has nothing to do with
it - except in that it's easier to adjust the settings to what you want.
And Jim (I'd guess) prefers to decide when he will send and fetch news and
emails, etc, rather than having Mr Gates decide for you.

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Well you can reorder the messages in most readers.
What method of posting does he use? I know that when I was on dial up, it
only sent them when connected, no matter when I typed them, so this is often
a factor if the person uses a laptop not normally connected for any reason.
One does need to be careful though as some servers have a cut off where
they do not actually publish messages where the time and date are too far
removed from the current one.
Brian

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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Does anyone, including Jim of course, know why his messages appear here
late? They appear in the list (which is chronologically arranged) in the
correct place, but they always appear between 12 and 48 hours after the
time and date given. The annoyance is that when the group is busy they are
off the bottom of my screen, so when I think I've read everything it says
there's one or two messages remaining unread, so I have to scroll down to
find them. There is also the annoyance of the discontinuity of
intercourse, if I can put it like that.

Bill

On 05/01/2012 20:31, John Hall wrote:
In ,
Bill writes:
Mark Carver wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:
Does anyone, including Jim of course, know why his messages
appear here late? They appear in the list (which is
chronologically arranged) in the correct place, but they always
appear between 12 and 48 hours after the time and date given.
The annoyance is that when the group is busy they are off the
bottom of my screen, so when I think I've read everything it
says there's one or two messages remaining unread, so I have
to scroll down to find them. There is also the annoyance of the
discontinuity of intercourse, if I can put it like that.
I suspect they are date stamped with the time of composition,
rather than when they're actually uploaded to his Usenet
provider, and/or propagated to everyone else's ?
Used to get this more often when most folk were on dial up, but
I can't believe Jim is sill on dial up ?

Whatever it is it's unique to his posts on this group, as received
here. Is anyone else getting this or is it just me? I was wondering if
Thunderbird was doing it at this end.

Bill

Here are some header lines from one of his messages:

NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:39:00 -0600
From: Jim
Subject: TOT: Can morale affect a cold in the nose?
Newsgroups: uk.tech.digital-tv
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:41:15 +0000 (GMT)

The Date header shows when he finished composing his post, and the
NNTP-Posting-Date header shows when the news server that he used
received it. The -0600 indicates that it's in a time zone 6 hours behind
GMT, ie somewhere in the us. So we have to add 6 hours to get the time
in GMT, in this case 9:39. So he composed the post late Wednesday
afternoon, but didn't post it till this (Thursday) morning, some 16
hours later.

I suspect it's a internet dialup throwback - he's done this for years,
and tends to create slabs of techno-flurries on the uk.rec.audio NG. Not
complaining as such :-)

Rob

In article , Mark Carver
wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:
Does anyone, including Jim of course, know why his messages appear
here late?

Yes. I do. :-)

I suspect they are date stamped with the time of composition, rather
than when they're actually uploaded to his Usenet provider, and/or
propagated to everyone else's ?

I read and write both email and usenet posting 'locally'. This means when I
finish an email/posting it is saved here as a file and then sent later when
I choose to send. Fetching and sending are separate actions from reading
and writing.

I fetch and send usenet postings with !Newshound.

I fetched and send emails with !Popstar.

I read and write both with !Pluto.

This means postings can have two times attached. One the time I finished
writing them, the other when it was sent.

Used to get this more often when most folk were on dial up, but I can't
believe Jim is sill on dial up ?

I've been using broadband for some time. You may have noticed that I also
often use it to listen to the BBC iPlayer. Hence the many pages on my
website showing details of having analysed the iPlayer streams.

I work this way for various reasons. e.g. It means I can keep a local copy
of what I've written and items that interest me. Pluto is also a 'database'
so lets me do regex searches on the emails and postings if I want to scan
back for some details. Useful for things like the recent project (which I
will resume sometime) of discussing the details of the BBC PCM and NICAM
systems with over a dozen experts on them.

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , Dave Farrance
wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:

Whatever it is it's unique to his posts on this group, as received
here. Is anyone else getting this or is it just me? I was wondering if
Thunderbird was doing it at this end.

No. A look at his message headers shows that the date attached to his
messages is usually hours earlier than the actual posting date as noted
by the news-server (i.e. the "NNTP-Posting-Date:" header). The headers
also show that he's using the "RISC-OS" operating system as used on the
venerable Acorn Archimedes, so I'd guess that he's writing the messages
and "posting" them to an internal spool on his machine, and then hours
later he connects to the Internet and the messages are sent in bulk.

Almost correct. :-) The machine is connected to the net thoughtout the
process. But the send only happens when I decide to do another send
operation. So a matter of when I remember or wish. FWIW by default I send
and fetch usenet in one operation, but split sending or fetching emails.

As Dave has explained, I work in the ways that suit me, not Uncle Bill
Gates.

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , John Hall
wrote:

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The Date header shows when he finished composing his post, and the
NNTP-Posting-Date header shows when the news server that he used
received it. The -0600 indicates that it's in a time zone 6 hours behind
GMT, ie somewhere in the us. So we have to add 6 hours to get the time
in GMT, in this case 9:39. So he composed the post late Wednesday
afternoon, but didn't post it till this (Thursday) morning, some 16
hours later.

Yes, I sometimes finish reading and writing items, then do something else
without sending what I wrote. Only to send when I next do a new fetch,
maybe the next day. The reality is that I do other things which are often
more important/interesting than reading and writing usenet postings. Afraid
I didn't realise anyone here would be so anxious to instantly find out what
I may have written! :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Dave Farrance
wrote:
No. A look at his message headers shows that the date attached to his
messages is usually hours earlier than the actual posting date as
noted by the news-server (i.e. the "NNTP-Posting-Date:" header). The
headers also show that he's using the "RISC-OS" operating system as
used on the venerable Acorn Archimedes, so I'd guess that he's writing
the messages and "posting" them to an internal spool on his machine,
and then hours later he connects to the Internet and the messages are
sent in bulk.

Since Jim hasn't likely yet read this I can sort of reply. He does use
RISC OS, as do I, but not on an Archimedes.

Iyonix.

(You can buy brand new machines running RISC OS)

Yes. I must confess I've been keeping an eye on the BB and ARMini, but am
hestiating to see of the audio side is resolved OK.

That he's using RISC OS has nothing to do with it - except in that it's
easier to adjust the settings to what you want. And Jim (I'd guess)
prefers to decide when he will send and fetch news and emails, etc,
rather than having Mr Gates decide for you.

More or less. Also a matter of when I remember to use !NewsHound to
send/fetch. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:
That he's using RISC OS has nothing to do with it - except in that it's
easier to adjust the settings to what you want. And Jim (I'd guess)
prefers to decide when he will send and fetch news and emails, etc,
rather than having Mr Gates decide for you.

More or less. Also a matter of when I remember to use !NewsHound to
send/fetch. :-)

Just for others reading this I have it set up to do so automatically -
the time between such operations is up to the user, so it can be set to
post near instantly. I prefer every half hour or so as it gives one the
opportunity for second thoughts. ;-)

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