Access to a Satellite Dish: EU says every individual must have that opportunity

On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 22:31:08 +0100, Anti-Spam put finger to keyboard and
typed:

I have read elsewhere the following: "Tell them to go away, you are
having a dish": EU statement: "GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF FREE MOVEMENT OF
GOODS AND SERVICES - ARTICLES 28 AND 49 EC - CONCERNING THE USE OF
SATELLITE DISHES" "By virtue of the principles of the free movement of
goods (Articles 28 to 30 EC) and the free movement of services (Articles
49 et seq. EC, as interpreted in the light of Article 10 of the European
Convention on Human Rights), as a rule, every individual who wishes to
have access to a satellite dish must have that opportunity."
"Architectural and urban planning concerns can be efficiently addressed
through measures which aim to minimise the visual impact of satellite
dishes without infringing the right to satellite reception of the
individuals concerned and without forcing them to pay excessive fees."
"ie - they can request that a dish is discreet, but cannot ban you from
having one."

Could anybody please tell me where I might find an official web site
or document, where the above statement is made. It would help a few of
my customers,who are not allowed to have a dish on their complex.

Official text:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...1DC0351:EN:NOT

Short commentary:
http://merlin.obs.coe.int/iris/2001/8/article6.en.html

See also:
http://www.publications.parliament.u...50/5122017.htm

However, it's only a statement of intent (in technical terms, a
Communication of the European Commission), and has no legal force
whatsoever. So, while it might have some power when arguing with a local
planning authority, it is not binding on landlords who refuse permission
for tenants to have dishes on rented properties. In particular, it simply
isn't true to say that they (whoever "they" may be) "cannot ban you from
having one", as, under current UK law, they most certainly can. And, unless
and until the Communication is incorporated into EU law, they will continue
to be able to.

Mark
--
Blog: http://mark.goodge.co.uk
Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk

On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 22:31:08 +0100, Anti-Spam wrote:

I have read elsewhere the following: "Tell them to go away, you are
having a dish": EU statement: "GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF FREE MOVEMENT OF
GOODS AND SERVICES - ARTICLES 28 AND 49 EC - CONCERNING THE USE OF
SATELLITE DISHES" "By virtue of the principles of the free movement of
goods (Articles 28 to 30 EC) and the free movement of services (Articles
49 et seq. EC, as interpreted in the light of Article 10 of the European
Convention on Human Rights), as a rule, every individual who wishes to
have access to a satellite dish must have that opportunity."
"Architectural and urban planning concerns can be efficiently addressed
through measures which aim to minimise the visual impact of satellite
dishes without infringing the right to satellite reception of the
individuals concerned and without forcing them to pay excessive fees."
"ie - they can request that a dish is discreet, but cannot ban you from
having one."

Could anybody please tell me where I might find an official web site
or document, where the above statement is made. It would help a few of
my customers,who are not allowed to have a dish on their complex.
TIA

This is news report of an official ruling by the European Court of Human
Rights (not an EU body):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ean-court.html

This has been dealt with in guidance from the UK's Equality and Human
Rights Commission. On page 20 of this document (pdf):
http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/u...ts_at_home.pdf

The terms and conditions of the tenancy,
or their enforcement, may give rise to
issues under other Convention Rights.

Example: A social housing provider's
standard terms of tenancy prevent the
erection of any satellite dish or aerial
on the exterior of the home. A disabled
tenant is only able to engage in her
particular religious community if she is
able to receive transmissions of specific
religious services held overseas which
are exclusively available by satellite.
The term of the tenancy agreement,
and most particularly its enforcement,
may amount to an unlawful breach of
her human right to freedom of religion
under Article 9 (see Appendix 1).

This is not a general right to have a satellite dish.

In the same way a housing provider can ban the keeping of animals by
tenants but exceptions must be made for "guide dogs or hearing dogs".
[Also on page 20]

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

On Wednesday, November 23rd, 2011 at 22:31:08h +0100, Anti-Spam demanded:

Could anybody please tell me where I might find an official web site or
document, where the above statement is made.

Do you not understand how to use a web search engine such as Google
which is ideal for find exact text matches?

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=i686&q=ARTICLES+28+AND+49 +EC+-+CONCERNING+THE+USE++OF+SATELLITE+DISHES&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&client=safari&rls=i686&biw=1582&bih=876&s ource=hp&q=%22ARTICLES+28+AND+49+EC+-+CONCERNING+THE+USE++OF+SATELLITE+DISHES%22&pbx=1& oq=%22ARTICLES+28+AND+49+EC+-+CONCERNING+THE+USE++OF+SATELLITE+DISHES

"Mark Goodge" wrote in message
news
I have read elsewhere the following: "Tell them to go away, you are
having a dish": EU statement: "GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF FREE MOVEMENT OF
GOODS AND SERVICES - ARTICLES 28 AND 49 EC - CONCERNING THE USE OF
SATELLITE DISHES" "By virtue of the principles of the free movement of
goods (Articles 28 to 30 EC) and the free movement of services (Articles
49 et seq. EC, as interpreted in the light of Article 10 of the European
Convention on Human Rights), as a rule, every individual who wishes to
have access to a satellite dish must have that opportunity."

does this apply to listed buildings?
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Vass

"J G Miller" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, November 23rd, 2011 at 22:31:08h +0100, Anti-Spam demanded:

Could anybody please tell me where I might find an official web site or
document, where the above statement is made.

Do you not understand how to use a web search engine such as Google
which is ideal for find exact text matches?



http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=i686&q=ARTICLES+28+AND+49 +EC+-+CONCERNING+THE+USE++OF+SATELLITE+DISHES&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&client=safari&rls=i686&biw=1582&bih=876&s ource=hp&q=%22ARTICLES+28+AND+49+EC+-+CONCERNING+THE+USE++OF+SATELLITE+DISHES%22&pbx=1& oq=%22ARTICLES+28+AND+49+EC+-+CONCERNING+THE+USE++OF+SATELLITE+DISHES





Or even.. http://tinyurl.com/csuvrbl

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:50:18 +0000, Rick wrote:

Or even.. http://tinyurl.com/csuvrbl

The security problem with Tiny URLs is not know where you are going
to end up, such as a popup trojan infested web site.

In article ,
Anti-Spam wrote:
Could anybody please tell me where I might find an official web site
or document, where the above statement is made. It would help a few of
my customers,who are not allowed to have a dish on their complex.
TIA
Mark in Spain

I understood there was a limit on the dish size in Spain (without planning
permission or whatever) that effectively prevented reception of 'UK'
satellites?

--
*Succeed, in spite of management *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 12:24:38 -0000, Vass put finger to keyboard and typed:



"Mark Goodge" wrote in message
news
I have read elsewhere the following: "Tell them to go away, you are
having a dish": EU statement: "GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF FREE MOVEMENT OF
GOODS AND SERVICES - ARTICLES 28 AND 49 EC - CONCERNING THE USE OF
SATELLITE DISHES" "By virtue of the principles of the free movement of
goods (Articles 28 to 30 EC) and the free movement of services (Articles
49 et seq. EC, as interpreted in the light of Article 10 of the European
Convention on Human Rights), as a rule, every individual who wishes to
have access to a satellite dish must have that opportunity."

does this apply to listed buildings?

It applies to listed buildings in exactly the same way as to every other
building. That is, it is merely an opinion, and has no legal force
whatsoever in either EU or UK law.

Mark
--
Blog: http://mark.goodge.co.uk
Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk

In article , Vass
scribeth thus


"Mark Goodge" wrote in message
news
I have read elsewhere the following: "Tell them to go away, you are
having a dish": EU statement: "GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF FREE MOVEMENT OF
GOODS AND SERVICES - ARTICLES 28 AND 49 EC - CONCERNING THE USE OF
SATELLITE DISHES" "By virtue of the principles of the free movement of
goods (Articles 28 to 30 EC) and the free movement of services (Articles
49 et seq. EC, as interpreted in the light of Article 10 of the European
Convention on Human Rights), as a rule, every individual who wishes to
have access to a satellite dish must have that opportunity."

does this apply to listed buildings?

I have seen dishes on listed buildings before. But whoever rigged them
did well to hide them!...
--
Tony Sayer

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:13:10 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:50:18 +0000, Rick wrote:

Or even.. http://tinyurl.com/csuvrbl

The security problem with Tiny URLs is not know where you are going
to end up, such as a popup trojan infested web site.

Have you not heard of pop-up blockers, anti-virus software etc. ?