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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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: Jerry wrote:
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: [2] for example, "Twitten" vs. path or alleyway.
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: Anyway Jerry, what's your accent? Like many others who don't
have the

I have told you but you're to ignorant to realise!...

On 23/10/2011 15:06, Jerry wrote:
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: You are confusing regional accents with sloppy speech.

No Bill, it is you who seem to be mixing up regional accents
(different Pronunciations [1]) with regional dialects (different
words [1]) that share the same meaning, the former is, to those
who do not speak or understand the accent, sloppy speech whilst
the latter is just plain 'quaint.

[1] for example dropping ones "H's" or "T's"

[2] for example, "Twitten" vs. path or alleyway.
I'm guessing that "ginnel" might be the word of choice in Bill's part of
Yorkshire.



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Graham. wrote:

[2] for example, "Twitten" vs. path or alleyway.
I'm guessing that "ginnel" might be the word of choice in Bill's part of
Yorkshire.

It's more familiar than 'twitten', and would be recognised and not
commented upon, but I think most people would say 'back alley', or if it
went between the houses, 'passage'.

As in the very old joke, "Doctor, I put the stuff in my back passage and
left it there overnight like you said, but I'm no better."

Bill

On 23/10/2011 14:35, Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:28:28 +0100, wrote:

On 23/10/2011 09:07, Jerry wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
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: Jerry wrote:
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: : There's a difference between a regional accent and sloppy
: speech.
: :
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: Rubbish
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: There's no way I can counter an argument of such depth and
power.
:

Ok if you really need to have it spelt out...

How is a unintellable regional accent any different to
unintellable pronunciation - its not called "Standard English"
(sometimes also known as 'Queens' or 'BBC' English) for nothing
you know.

Also Received Pronunciation or RP,
But perhaps it would be better not to lecture us about it until you
master the difference between its and it's.

Ah, but... the difference between its and it's is not a matter of
pronuncification.


No, not in this case, it's incorrect English usage though.

Yorkshire folk make a big distinction in the way they pronounce "to" and
"two/too"

Now much of the BBC is moving to Salford, I suppose the rest of us will
be talking like the Gallaghers within 10 years.


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On 23/10/2011 16:10, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Bill Wright
writes
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill Wright

Personally my attitude to people who say 'universi-y' and
'inteligibili-y' is such that I ask them to either speak properly or
shut up.

Bill
You've got to tell 'em to Shu' Up if they're going to understand you
(-:. [Or F*ing shu' up, probably.]

That's a good idea, although when the 't' is at the end of the word
they generally sound it.

Is it just me, or do others also find that the singer "Dido" never ends
any of her words (no matter what letter they end in)?

Wicked I know, but I can never resist not putting an extra l in her name.

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:01:08 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:

But hardly anyone at the BBC (even those employed in the Pronunciation
Department)

Does that still exist? When I was there (20 years ago) it had become
an internal chargeable service so productions stopped using it.
Before you just rang 'em up if you had a query and you got an answer.
After the internal costings came in you had to provide a
programme/charge number before you got anywhere. Don't you just love
accountants...

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Dave.

In article , Bill Wright wrote:
Standard English is spoken by the BBC Broadcasting House appartchiks,
but it is most certainly not the Queen's English as spoken by Brenda
who says eg "haise" not "house" and who tends to miss the "g" off
words such as "goin rowin?", "reinin monarch" etc.
I actually did meet a chap the other week who said 'goff' for 'golf'.

I thought it was only Betjeman that did that. Perhaps he was a fan.

One of my pet irritations in the way a lot of southerners pronounce words
is the spurious interspersed "R" when one word ends and the next begins
with a vowel. It's even more irritating when you realise these are the
same people who don't pronounce the letter R when it legitimately does
occur at the end of a word, for example "car", which they pronounce
"caa". Clearly they do know how to say the sound, because they say it
when it isn't there, so why don't they say it when it is?

Rod.
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On 23/10/2011 16:55, Bill Wright wrote:
Jerry wrote:

No Bill, it is you who seem to be mixing up regional accents
(different Pronunciations [1]) with regional dialects (different words
[1]) that share the same meaning, the former is, to those who do not
speak or understand the accent, sloppy speech whilst the latter is
just plain 'quaint.

[1] for example dropping ones "H's" or "T's"

[2] for example, "Twitten" vs. path or alleyway.

Anyway Jerry, what's your accent? Like many others who don't have the
courage of your convictions you post here under a cloak of anonymity,
but you could at least spill the beans on your vowel sounds.

Bill


Surely none of us have an accent, it is everyone else who has an accent.

"MB" wrote in message
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: Surely none of us have an accent, it is everyone else who has
an accent.

Exactly! So when someone makes a comment like Bill did the only
person who will come over as a pizzle [1] is the person
complaining, unless someone else is also called Richard...

[1] farmers should understand that, townies probably not :~)
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Regards, Jerry.

Jerry wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
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snip
: You are confusing regional accents with sloppy speech.

No Bill, it is you who seem to be mixing up regional accents
(different Pronunciations [1]) with regional dialects (different
words [1]) that share the same meaning, the former is, to those
who do not speak or understand the accent, sloppy speech whilst
the latter is just plain 'quaint.


Then those people who do not understand the accent are at fault. What
about people who find /your/ accent confusing Jerry?

[1] for example dropping ones "H's" or "T's"

[2] for example, "Twitten" vs. path or alleyway.


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