Wiring a quad outlet - how?

The plan is to straighten out some of our home wiring. In particular
the living room has cables coming in/out from everywhere.

What we want is to box-off the cables and have soem neat(er) standard
outlets, as opposed to the existing free connectors. I was looking
for a single outlet that would support terrestrial TV, FM radio and
2 satellite outlets. The Triax "Quad screened outlet" (pt. 304109,
ref: http://tinyurl.com/3exs5s9 looks like it does the job, but when
I did the touchy-feely on it in a shop this morning, it only appears
to accept two cable inputs. We have 4 (one for each service, above).

Obviously it would be possible to get the correct, separate, outlets
and make up a panel - or even use some custom faceplate/bezels to
make up soemthing that looks neat, but the Triax is smaller and would
do the job.
To add further confusion, the Triax guide (Outlet link, ref:
http://www.triax.co.uk/upload/outlet_link.pdf) appears to throw open
even more questions.

Which cables would I need to multiplex to get this outlet to work for
Sky+ + TV + Radio signals? If I can get rid of 2 bits of wire, that
would be a help, too?

"root" wrote in message
...
The plan is to straighten out some of our home wiring. In particular
the living room has cables coming in/out from everywhere.

What we want is to box-off the cables and have soem neat(er) standard
outlets, as opposed to the existing free connectors. I was looking
for a single outlet that would support terrestrial TV, FM radio and
2 satellite outlets. The Triax "Quad screened outlet" (pt. 304109,
ref: http://tinyurl.com/3exs5s9 looks like it does the job, but when
I did the touchy-feely on it in a shop this morning, it only appears
to accept two cable inputs. We have 4 (one for each service, above).

Obviously it would be possible to get the correct, separate, outlets
and make up a panel - or even use some custom faceplate/bezels to
make up soemthing that looks neat, but the Triax is smaller and would
do the job.
To add further confusion, the Triax guide (Outlet link, ref:
http://www.triax.co.uk/upload/outlet_link.pdf) appears to throw open
even more questions.

Which cables would I need to multiplex to get this outlet to work for
Sky+ + TV + Radio signals? If I can get rid of 2 bits of wire, that
would be a help, too?


You need a loft box or similar at the head end to combine the feeds into 2
downleads (or 1 if you dont want SKY+) , which are then separated out by the
quad-plexer.

OR, just install separate outlets for each feed.

Tim..

Tim.. wrote:

"root" wrote:

What we want is to box-off the cables and have soem neat(er) standard
outlets, as opposed to the existing free connectors. I was looking
for a single outlet that would support terrestrial TV, FM radio and
2 satellite outlets.

You need a loft box or similar at the head end to combine the feeds into
2 downleads (or 1 if you dont want SKY+) , which are then separated out
by the quad-plexer.

If you want to reduce the number of cables, a loftbox will do it, if you
don't want the multi-way amp and return signal that a loftbox offers,
then just a triplexer will do it

vhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/PROception-triplexer-combines-splits-VHF/dp/B002K8ONTY


FM+SAT1+UHF into tripler, out to input of a triplexed faceplate, such as

http://www.atcsupplies.com/ProductDe... K3BEE&pID=413

SAT2 just dropped stright to the other SAT output on the faceplate

I tried a Proception alternative to the usual Global "loftbox", and quite
liked it.

http://www.blake-uk.com/prostrs.aspx

I like the fact that it has a 2nd Sky input. I think it's kinda nice to have
all the incoming feeds going into the box, rather than patched directly
through on a cable laying on the floor.........



"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...

Tim.. wrote:

"root" wrote:

What we want is to box-off the cables and have soem neat(er) standard
outlets, as opposed to the existing free connectors. I was looking
for a single outlet that would support terrestrial TV, FM radio and
2 satellite outlets.

You need a loft box or similar at the head end to combine the feeds into
2 downleads (or 1 if you dont want SKY+) , which are then separated out
by the quad-plexer.

If you want to reduce the number of cables, a loftbox will do it, if you
don't want the multi-way amp and return signal that a loftbox offers,
then just a triplexer will do it

vhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/PROception-triplexer-combines-splits-VHF/dp/B002K8ONTY


FM+SAT1+UHF into tripler, out to input of a triplexed faceplate, such as

http://www.atcsupplies.com/ProductDe... K3BEE&pID=413

SAT2 just dropped stright to the other SAT output on the faceplate

On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 18:49:08 +0100, David Bolton wrote:
I tried a Proception alternative to the usual Global "loftbox", and quite
liked it.

http://www.blake-uk.com/prostrs.aspx

I like the fact that it has a 2nd Sky input. I think it's kinda nice to have
all the incoming feeds going into the box, rather than patched directly
through on a cable laying on the floor.........



"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...

Tim.. wrote:

"root" wrote:

What we want is to box-off the cables and have soem neat(er) standard
outlets, as opposed to the existing free connectors. I was looking
for a single outlet that would support terrestrial TV, FM radio and
2 satellite outlets.

You need a loft box or similar at the head end to combine the feeds into
2 downleads (or 1 if you dont want SKY+) , which are then separated out
by the quad-plexer.

If you want to reduce the number of cables, a loftbox will do it, if you
don't want the multi-way amp and return signal that a loftbox offers,
then just a triplexer will do it

vhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/PROception-triplexer-combines-splits-VHF/dp/B002K8ONTY


FM+SAT1+UHF into tripler, out to input of a triplexed faceplate, such as

http://www.atcsupplies.com/ProductDe... K3BEE&pID=413

SAT2 just dropped stright to the other SAT output on the faceplate


Thanks for the ideas, chaps.
As I say, we already have a bunch of cables (sat, TV, FM) and the goal is to tidy
them up and conceal them in a boxed-off section in the corner of the room(s).
So reducing the number of cables isn't the main aim, as they are there already.
(Though as a side-effect, but only a side-effect, if we can "lose" 1 or 2, that
would be nice but won't have any influence on the final choice of solutions).

So, would the quad outlet work, given the cabling we already have? which is
2 * sat, 1 * TV and an FM download, that are already in place. If so, how do
I go about connecting those 4 outlets, given that the Triax product only accepts
2 inputs? Is it TV+FM in one, and 2*sat (how?) into the other - or what?

root wrote:
The plan is to straighten out some of our home wiring. In particular
the living room has cables coming in/out from everywhere.

What we want is to box-off the cables and have soem neat(er) standard
outlets, as opposed to the existing free connectors. I was looking
for a single outlet that would support terrestrial TV, FM radio and
2 satellite outlets. The Triax "Quad screened outlet" (pt. 304109,
ref: http://tinyurl.com/3exs5s9 looks like it does the job, but when
I did the touchy-feely on it in a shop this morning, it only appears
to accept two cable inputs. We have 4 (one for each service, above).

Obviously it would be possible to get the correct, separate, outlets
and make up a panel - or even use some custom faceplate/bezels to
make up soemthing that looks neat, but the Triax is smaller and would
do the job.
To add further confusion, the Triax guide (Outlet link, ref:
http://www.triax.co.uk/upload/outlet_link.pdf) appears to throw open
even more questions.

Which cables would I need to multiplex to get this outlet to work for
Sky+ + TV + Radio signals? If I can get rid of 2 bits of wire, that
would be a help, too?
Are the four services on four separate cables then? Do you mean you want
to diplex them at the other end (wherever that is)?

Bill

On 07/10/2011 14:05, root wrote:
The plan is to straighten out some of our home wiring. In particular
the living room has cables coming in/out from everywhere.

What we want is to box-off the cables and have soem neat(er) standard
outlets, as opposed to the existing free connectors. I was looking
for a single outlet that would support terrestrial TV, FM radio and
2 satellite outlets. The Triax "Quad screened outlet" (pt. 304109,
ref: http://tinyurl.com/3exs5s9 looks like it does the job, but when
I did the touchy-feely on it in a shop this morning, it only appears
to accept two cable inputs. We have 4 (one for each service, above).

Obviously it would be possible to get the correct, separate, outlets
and make up a panel - or even use some custom faceplate/bezels to
make up soemthing that looks neat, but the Triax is smaller and would
do the job.
To add further confusion, the Triax guide (Outlet link, ref:
http://www.triax.co.uk/upload/outlet_link.pdf) appears to throw open
even more questions.

Which cables would I need to multiplex to get this outlet to work for
Sky+ + TV + Radio signals? If I can get rid of 2 bits of wire, that
would be a help, too?

I've seen modular ones in Wickes if you want to keep
cables separate. You can get 4 modules (2 UHF/VHF and
2 F) in a twin face-plate.
http://www.wickes.co.uk/electrical/m...cat/camodular/
I'm sure they're available elsewhere.

root wrote:

Thanks for the ideas, chaps.
As I say, we already have a bunch of cables (sat, TV, FM) and the goal is to tidy
them up and conceal them in a boxed-off section in the corner of the room(s).
So reducing the number of cables isn't the main aim, as they are there already.
(Though as a side-effect, but only a side-effect, if we can "lose" 1 or 2, that
would be nice but won't have any influence on the final choice of solutions).

So, would the quad outlet work, given the cabling we already have? which is
2 * sat, 1 * TV and an FM download, that are already in place. If so, how do
I go about connecting those 4 outlets, given that the Triax product only accepts
2 inputs? Is it TV+FM in one, and 2*sat (how?) into the other - or what?
If you have four separate cables you could make up a (double) place from
Triax modules; two f and two belling. Or do what we do:

http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/referen...let-plates.pdf

Bill

root wrote:


So, would the quad outlet work, given the cabling we already have? which is
2 * sat, 1 * TV and an FM download, that are already in place. If so, how do
I go about connecting those 4 outlets, given that the Triax product only accepts
2 inputs? Is it TV+FM in one, and 2*sat (how?) into the other - or what?

You will need a triplexer that has band II/III, UHF, Satellite IF
filters on the three inputs (or "isolators"). The output from this goes
into one side of the output plate. You will be left with a second
satellite feed. That goes into the other input.

You must not simply connect the cables together.

These outlets are designed to be used with a multiswitch.

(As a caveat, it is just conceivable that TV shares with one satellite
and FM shares with the other. I'd have to search data sheets to be
sure. If not, only one input will be shared.)

You may find it easier to use four separate outlet plates. (Modular
ones may not be properly screened.)

On 07/10/2011 19:30, Bill Wright wrote:
root wrote:

Thanks for the ideas, chaps.
As I say, we already have a bunch of cables (sat, TV, FM) and the goal
is to tidy
them up and conceal them in a boxed-off section in the corner of the
room(s).
So reducing the number of cables isn't the main aim, as they are there
already.
(Though as a side-effect, but only a side-effect, if we can "lose" 1
or 2, that would be nice but won't have any influence on the final
choice of solutions).

So, would the quad outlet work, given the cabling we already have?
which is
2 * sat, 1 * TV and an FM download, that are already in place. If so,
how do
I go about connecting those 4 outlets, given that the Triax product
only accepts
2 inputs? Is it TV+FM in one, and 2*sat (how?) into the other - or what?
If you have four separate cables you could make up a (double) place from
Triax modules; two f and two belling. Or do what we do:

http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/referen...let-plates.pdf

Bill



I was going to say that he might struggle to get four cables behind a
single outlet but your document shows 6!


--
Michael Chare