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In message , Bill Wright
writes:
Brian Gaff wrote:
And what about all those liquid filled magnifiers.
Brian

I caught one once with a hammer and it leaked onto the carpet.

Bill

Tell us more - not least, why you were swinging the hammer! (What was in
the magnifier - paraffin?)
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Who can refute a sneer? - Archdeacon Paley, in his book Moral Philosophy

On Fri, 13 May 2011 10:48:00 +0100, Terry Casey
wrote:

In message on Thu, 12 May 2011
20:04:01 +0100
Scott wrote:

On Thu, 12 May 2011 12:22:02 +0100, Terry Casey
wrote:


The London weekday franchise was held by Associated Redifusion, later just
Redifusion.

Rediffusion


Yes - also Associated Rediffusion - both spotted, as usual, after hitting
'send'!


Then the IBA forced a merger of Redifusion and ABC to form Thames, who got the
modified London weekday franchise with a new company, London Weekend
Television, given the weekends.

ITA (Independent Television Authority) until 1972. I think ABC was
known as ATV by then though I can't establish the legal name of the
company.


Agreed about the ITA but you still seem to be confused by ABC/ATV.

Lew Grade's initial ABC (Associated Broadcasting Company) branding lasted just
one month in 1955.

After a legal challenge from the Associated British Picture Corporation (ABPC),
who owned Associated British Cinemas (ABC), Grade was forced to re-brand and
chose Associated TeleVision (ATV) second time around.

It was ABPC that was behind ABC Television and was never anything to do with
Lew Grade's ATV company.

The ABC branding disappeared from TV screens with the start of Thames TV, of
which ABC was a constituent part, in 1968.

ATV carried on for a further 14 years until, after a huge reorganisation, it
was re-branded Central Independent Television in 1982.

I was confused big time! I thought that ATV 'merged' with Rediffusion
to form Thames Television. I did not realise that ABC was a separate
company holding franchises in its own right:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associa...sh_Corporation

In message , Albert Ross
writes:
On Thu, 12 May 2011 11:54:38 +0100, Terry Casey
wrote:


That would be a Bush! Probably a TV24 (12" tube, wooden cabinet) or a
TV22 (9"
tube, bakelite cabinet)

Picture he http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/bush_tv24tv_2.html

Ah now that looks like my gran's first TV. A small spider took up home
between the tube and the outer glass. Can't remember the control knob
but can remember the ding-ding-dong of ATV?

http://625.uk.com/tv_logos/flash/atv_in_colour_1.asp

(I've spent many happy hours on that site!)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)[email protected]+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Personally, I don't like the Senate idea, I don't like the idea of having to
elect another bunch of overpaid incompetents. I don't like the idea of having
wholesale appointments by the PM of the day for domination of the second
chamber. I like anachronism. I like the idea of a bunch of unelected congenital
idiots getting in the way of a bunch of conmen. - Charles F. Hankel, 1998-3-19.

In message on Sat, 14 May 2011
14:48:15 +0100
Albert Ross wrote:

On Thu, 12 May 2011 11:54:38 +0100, Terry Casey
wrote:


That would be a Bush! Probably a TV24 (12" tube, wooden cabinet) or a TV22 (9"
tube, bakelite cabinet)

Picture he http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/bush_tv24tv_2.html

Ah now that looks like my gran's first TV. A small spider took up home
between the tube and the outer glass. Can't remember the control knob

Perhaps it was a later variant, the TV24C, which covered both BI and BIII but
otherwise looked identical. Instead of the prominent knob and brown plastic box
of the add-on converter, there was a fairly discrete two way switch with two
small fine tuning knobs, one for each band, in a small recessed panel in the
right-hand side of the cabinet, in the bottom rear corner.

but can remember the ding-ding-dong of ATV?

Hardly possible to forget!

--

Terry

On Sun, 15 May 2011 13:39:52 +0100, Terry Casey wrote:

In message on Sat, 14 May
2011 14:48:15 +0100
Albert Ross wrote:

but can remember the ding-ding-dong of ATV?

Hardly possible to forget!

So not the chimes zoom ident of the 1960s

http://www.youtube.COM/watch?v=GAcl-qWDkuM&

but the trumpet "In Color" fanfare ident of the 1970s

http://www.youtube.COM/watch?v=sNpOkmaq9Uc&NR=1

Incidentally the person who uploaded these has put false
descriptions and dates on both.

On Fri, 13 May 2011 10:48:00 +0100, Terry Casey
wrote:

In message on Thu, 12 May 2011
20:04:01 +0100
Scott wrote:

On Thu, 12 May 2011 12:22:02 +0100, Terry Casey
wrote:


The London weekday franchise was held by Associated Redifusion, later just
Redifusion.

Rediffusion


Yes - also Associated Rediffusion - both spotted, as usual, after hitting
'send'!


Then the IBA forced a merger of Redifusion and ABC to form Thames, who got the
modified London weekday franchise with a new company, London Weekend
Television, given the weekends.

ITA (Independent Television Authority) until 1972. I think ABC was
known as ATV by then though I can't establish the legal name of the
company.


Agreed about the ITA but you still seem to be confused by ABC/ATV.

Lew Grade's initial ABC (Associated Broadcasting Company) branding lasted just
one month in 1955.

After a legal challenge from the Associated British Picture Corporation (ABPC),
who owned Associated British Cinemas (ABC), Grade was forced to re-brand and
chose Associated TeleVision (ATV) second time around.

It was ABPC that was behind ABC Television and was never anything to do with
Lew Grade's ATV company.

The ABC branding disappeared from TV screens with the start of Thames TV, of
which ABC was a constituent part, in 1968.

ATV carried on for a further 14 years until, after a huge reorganisation, it
was re-branded Central Independent Television in 1982.

Did the companies making the programme get to show their own logo at
the start in the early days? I certainly remember lots of programmes
in the late 60s with the Thames branding with the mirror image and
music. Maybe (as well as ATV who it turns out provided programmes for
Scotland for some of the time) I was also remembering individual ABC
programmes. I have imprinted in my memory seeing 'ABC' as a young
child.

On Sun, 15 May 2011 22:23:04 +0100, Scott wrote:

Did the companies making the programme get to show their own logo at the
start in the early days?

Indeed they did. And some companies went as far to show for programs,
which were not made by the other regional companies, but which they had
not made but had bought in from other sources, a caption "your regional
company presents" and at the end a caption station "A your regional
company presentation".

The practice of shewing the regional companies idents at the beginning
of programs was abolished in 1986 or so.

It is rather ironic that nowadays, the BBC shows its logo at the
start of those programs which it still produces its-self.

for some of the time) I was also remembering individual ABC programmes.
I have imprinted in my memory seeing 'ABC' as a young child.

Well seeing as ABC was a major producer of weekend programs, that is
highly probable.

For everything "ABC, Your Weekend Television" take a look at

http://www.transdiffusion.ORG/tmc/abc/

In article ,
Terry Casey wrote:
In message on Thu, 12 May 2011 21:25:54 +0000 (UTC)
Nick Leverton wrote:
Thanks, that looks like the box indeed - oddly I don't have a clear
memory of the set itself but I do remember the converter quite well.
The attraction of gadgets to small fingers, I suspect ;-) I'll ask the
Aged Parents if they remember it too !


If you took such notice of it, do you remember the concentric grooves on the
metal push-pull spindle? There were three and, depending on whether the knob
was pushed in or pulled on, either one (for Band I) or three (for Band III)
were visible ...!

I've often wondered if any of the set owners appreciated this ...?

I don't recall that detail, I'm afraid I've checked back with the
parents, they don't really remember what the hand-me-down TV was except
that it might have been a Bush, and "never watched ITV so didn't notice" !

Nick
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