Freesat Ch4 is 126

Hi
As expected it is 126.
Regards
David

On 19/04/2011 10:58, David wrote:
Hi
As expected it is 126.
Regards
David

It's a complete pain in the arse that we have to remember all of this
stuff. Why can't BBC1 HD be on 101, ITV1 HD on 103 etc. Complete bloody
shambles. Surely it's not beyond the technology to switch in and out of
the HD feed as appropriate.

Silk wrote:
On 19/04/2011 10:58, David wrote:
Hi
As expected it is 126.
Regards
David

It's a complete pain in the arse that we have to remember all of this
stuff. Why can't BBC1 HD be on 101, ITV1 HD on 103 etc. Complete bloody
shambles. Surely it's not beyond the technology to switch in and out of
the HD feed as appropriate.

It's because of regional programming in the case of BBC 1, and regional
ads in the case of ITV and C4.

I agree, the viewer should be able to pick whatever EPG positions they
choose, but neither Freesat nor Sky allow that with their 'branded' boxes.

David wrote:
Hi
As expected it is 126.
Regards
David

It is shown on the epg on my Panasonic DMR XS-350 but when I select that
channel the screen shows no signal. Has anyone else who's got this
machine able to view it?

--
Adrian

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:49:25 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

Silk wrote:
On 19/04/2011 10:58, David wrote:
Hi
As expected it is 126.
Regards
David

It's a complete pain in the arse that we have to remember all of this
stuff. Why can't BBC1 HD be on 101, ITV1 HD on 103 etc. Complete bloody
shambles. Surely it's not beyond the technology to switch in and out of
the HD feed as appropriate.

It's because of regional programming in the case of BBC 1, and regional
ads in the case of ITV and C4.

I agree, the viewer should be able to pick whatever EPG positions they
choose, but neither Freesat nor Sky allow that with their 'branded' boxes.

I think the sort of thing Silk is envisaging is the STB automatically
putting the HD channel in place of the normal SD channel (if it is an HD
box, of course). The box should then be able, in response to transmitted
cues, to automatically switch to and from the SD stream for regional
material.

While this might seem technically feasible the results could be clunky
because of the non-synchronisation of the SD and HD streams and
differences in coding delays in the box. Also because of the
corresponding SD and HD streams potentially being on different
transponders the box could need more than 2 tuners.


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Peter Duncanson wrote:

I think the sort of thing Silk is envisaging is the STB automatically
putting the HD channel in place of the normal SD channel (if it is an HD
box, of course). The box should then be able, in response to transmitted
cues, to automatically switch to and from the SD stream for regional
material.

While this might seem technically feasible the results could be clunky
because of the non-synchronisation of the SD and HD streams and
differences in coding delays in the box. Also because of the
corresponding SD and HD streams potentially being on different
transponders the box could need more than 2 tuners.

Yes. I spoke to ITV's then director of technology at an industry bash a
couple of years ago, and ITV did indeed consider the idea, but tests
revealed there was too much 'thrashing around' at the transition points,
so it was rejected.

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:41:33 +0100, Silk complained:

It's a complete pain in the arse that we have to remember all of this
stuff.

Remind me, what is the purpose of the Freeview EPG or mini channels list
available on all good digital receivers, or even the ability to set up
a favorites list with a few clicks of the button?

On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 13:51:50 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:

but tests revealed there was too much 'thrashing around' at the
transition points, so it was rejected.

Also is it not the case that if you want ITV-1 on hd rather than
SD, one tends to miss the winning goal?

(Or did I misremember that?)

On 19/04/2011 14:57, J G Miller wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 13:51:50 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:

but tests revealed there was too much 'thrashing around' at the
transition points, so it was rejected.

Also is it not the case that if you want ITV-1 on hd rather than
SD, one tends to miss the winning goal?

(Or did I misremember that?)

What's a winning goal and why should we care?

On 19/04/2011 14:55, J G Miller wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:41:33 +0100, Silk complained:

It's a complete pain in the arse that we have to remember all of this
stuff.

Remind me, what is the purpose of the Freeview EPG or mini channels list
available on all good digital receivers, or even the ability to set up
a favorites list with a few clicks of the button?

There should be no need to faf about. If you select, say, 101 for BBC1,
you should expect that the best feed will be automatically selected. If
a Freesat box can't do this simple task, then there is no advantage over
a non-Freesat HD box.