Did I not explain it very well?

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Two shutters that need both line and neutral pins inserted at the same
time to clear them. To allow the use of low current two pin shaver etc
plugs.

Hang on, they don't fit in a three pin socket anyway, do they? Pin
spacing, size and shape are different.

Are you quite sure both technologies (earth-operated shutters AND the
type you describe) are found in good three pin sockets? I've certainly
never seen such an arrangement.

SteveT

J G Miller wrote:

But there is certainly nothing wrong in trying to improve on the
percentage of power generated from renewables rather than other sources.

Obviously. What's wrong is basing that policy on profound ignorance, a
complete failure to understand the situation in Fukushima, no
understanding of the technology, and prejudice.

SteveT

On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:22:25 +0000, tony sayer wrote:


It's that sort of blind ignorance coupled with supreme confidence in
one's knowledge, so typical of the arts educated elite in this country
that leads to these people pontificating about windfarms and other
environmental issues.

Bill

Yes now that is really scary. That Merkel in Germany now wants to do
away with all the reactors they have and go renewables..

"That Merkel" had a PhD in Physics and undoubtedly knows far more
about nuclear reactions that most posters here. I doubt that she
_wants_ to dump nuclear power, just that the politics of the country
requires it (at present). Remeber the "Atomkraft? nein danke" campaign?

Just absolutely stupid rather than wait and see what went wrong and then
make informed -engineering- decisions on the matter..

All that tells us is that the decision has nothing to do with the technical
questions and everything to do with public opinion (which is all that
politicians can "do")


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Steve Thackery wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Two shutters that need both line and neutral pins inserted at the same
time to clear them. To allow the use of low current two pin shaver etc
plugs.

Hang on, they don't fit in a three pin socket anyway, do they? Pin
spacing, size and shape are different.

It's the 'Euro' 2-pin plugs that you can, with care (don't try this at home)
stuff into a UK 13A socket, I've watched countless foreigners do it !

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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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Steve Thackery wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Two shutters that need both line and neutral pins inserted at the same
time to clear them. To allow the use of low current two pin shaver etc
plugs.

Hang on, they don't fit in a three pin socket anyway, do they? Pin
spacing, size and shape are different.

It's the 'Euro' 2-pin plugs that you can, with care (don't try this at
home) stuff into a UK 13A socket, I've watched countless foreigners do it
!

Indeed, countless people doing it at Kong Kong Airport recently - nice to
see so much British spec. stuff in use in HKG - all made by MK.

In message , Mark Carver
writes
Steve Thackery wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Two shutters that need both line and neutral pins inserted at the
same
time to clear them. To allow the use of low current two pin shaver etc
plugs.
Hang on, they don't fit in a three pin socket anyway, do they? Pin
spacing, size and shape are different.

It's the 'Euro' 2-pin plugs that you can, with care (don't try this at
home) stuff into a UK 13A socket, I've watched countless foreigners do
it !

I've probably done it myself - but never since I experienced the effects
of the power distribution sockets at a certain large cable TV headend
having been effectively wrecked by someone plugging in equipment fitted
with 10A European plugs. There is a good (bad) chance that this will
permanently slightly splay the socket contacts (and it had).
--
Ian

Ian Jackson wrote:


I've probably done it myself - but never since I experienced the effects
of the power distribution sockets at a certain large cable TV headend
having been effectively wrecked by someone plugging in equipment fitted
with 10A European plugs. There is a good (bad) chance that this will
permanently slightly splay the socket contacts (and it had).

I've see those 4 way strips etc made of soft ABS (or is it PVC ?) plastic have
their slots splayed by continual use of Euro plugs.

Of course some manufacturers of sockets take that one step further, if you buy
4 way strips in Middle East and Asian countries, the L and N slots are
deliberately wider to allow you to stuff anything you like in !

Never seen one that will accept a 15A round pin though ! (yet)



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On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 00:44:59 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Richard Tobin wrote:
Most decent sockets have a rather more sophisticated shutter system than
the type operated by just the earth pin

Really? Ours don't. How do they work?

Two shutters that need both line and neutral pins inserted at the same
time to clear them. To allow the use of low current two pin shaver etc
plugs.

You outside the UK then? Or are you only referring to your shaver
socket? I assume you have appliances other than shavers and electric
toothbrushes :-)

In article , J G Miller
scribeth thus
On Friday, March 25th, 2011 at 20:22:25h +0000, Tony Sayer wrote:

That Merkel in Germany now wants to do away with all the reactors
they have and go renewables..

That may be the impression which Kanzler Merkel is giving at the present
time, but wait until after the state elections, and nothing much will change,
and it will be back to business as normal.

One hopes!..


But there is certainly nothing wrong in trying to improve on the percentage
of power generated from renewables rather than other sources.

Yes 'tho they'll never get there will they?.

Think about this. In today's Guardian, not my read at all her paper, but
she is a college lecturer, there is a bit praising an electric car to
the hilt and its NO EMISSIONS!.. Yay!..

Later on there is a debate with a Green party loon who of course wants
to see ever more and more renewables.

No connection has been made of where the power for the electric car will
come from. Take away the oil and gas and coal and just how many
windmills will we need?. Answer in practice?.

Sod all as theres no bloody wind blowing over most all of the UK today..
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Tony Sayer

In article , Richard Tobin
scribeth thus
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:

Just absolutely stupid rather than wait and see what went wrong and then
make informed -engineering- decisions on the matter..

However, many of the problems were probably not engineering ones.


Beg pardon but I think you'll find most all aspects of our lives are
-affected- by engineers and scientist's.

In this case prolly they got the siting and design of the Japan plants
wrong but hysteria by politicos and the public isn't going to help any..

-- Richard

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Tony Sayer