Aspect ratio

"Jerry" wrote in message
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"Roderick Stewart"
wrote in message
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snip
: And a wage increase which they will inevitably (and quite
rightly) want
: for the extra knowledge and skills.
:

Why "and quite rightly"? Surely this would not have been a
different job [1] but just keeping up with (the then) current
technology - sounds more like the usual union crap, something for
nothing. With union attitudes like that being common is it any
wonder that by the late 1970s the UK had such a crippled
economy... :~(

[1] that would mean learning different base skills.
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I well remember the protracted strike with everything being transmitted in
black and white, back in the days when the monopoly of commercial television
was 'a licence to print money', goodness me, how the mighty have fallen.. no
wonder they all hate uncle Rupert so much!

"Richard Russell" wrote in message news[email protected]
On Jan 31, 5:01 pm, charles wrote:

I'm not happy either; "dwarfs" is a Disney word - the English word is
"dwarves".

It's a myth:

http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/langu...es/000293.html

Collins Dictionary (which I happen to favour) lists both, with 'dwarfs' first.

Richard.
http://www.rtrussell.co.uk/

I thought it might be, based in the medical ism form.

--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

In article , Jerry wrote:
snip
: And a wage increase which they will inevitably (and quite
rightly) want
: for the extra knowledge and skills.
:

Why "and quite rightly"? Surely this would not have been a
different job [1] but just keeping up with (the then) current
technology - sounds more like the usual union crap, something for
nothing. With union attitudes like that being common is it any
wonder that by the late 1970s the UK had such a crippled
economy... :~(

If you're paid for your knowledge and skills, and you have to invest
time and perhaps money to acquire more skills, why shouldn't you expect
to earn more money as a result? Why did you choose a job that required
you to learn stuff and acquire any skills in the first place? Enlist
the services of a more experienced or qualified doctor, lawyer etc, and
you can expect to pay more than for an "ordinary" one, so why shouldn't
the same apply to you?

Rod.
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"Roderick Stewart"
wrote in message
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: In article , Jerry
wrote:
: snip
: : And a wage increase which they will inevitably (and quite
: rightly) want
: : for the extra knowledge and skills.
: :
:
: Why "and quite rightly"? Surely this would not have been a
: different job [1] but just keeping up with (the then) current
: technology - sounds more like the usual union crap, something
for
: nothing. With union attitudes like that being common is it
any
: wonder that by the late 1970s the UK had such a crippled
: economy... :~(
:
: If you're paid for your knowledge and skills, and you have to
invest
: time and perhaps money to acquire more skills, why shouldn't
you expect
: to earn more money as a result?

Perhaps because you want to keep your job?! The fact is, most
people would willingly keep their skill sets up to date anyway,
especially when even a blind man could see that technology was
changing (in this instance that television would be 100 percent
colour) within a few years...

: Why did you choose a job that required
: you to learn stuff and acquire any skills in the first place?
Enlist
: the services of a more experienced or qualified doctor, lawyer
etc, and
: you can expect to pay more than for an "ordinary" one, so why
shouldn't
: the same apply to you?
:

But this would not have been a *different* job, it's was colour
rather than monochrome film stock with all the *base skills*
being the same. To carry your analogy a bit further, would you
expect a GP's to be paid differently depending on the age and
racial demographics of their area, having different salaries
depending on how many babies and OAPs are on their list, never
mind what their skin colour is!

I could, perhaps, understand your argument if we were discussing
the switch of base technology, a switch *from film* editing /to
video-tape/ editing, but what you suggest as being "quite
rightly" was just the unions wanting something for nothing [1],
and all that union dogma did was pave the way for Thatcherism and
the likes of Eddie Shar and 'Uncle' Murdoch...

[1] supported by the other unions, knowing full well that if one
union got an increase then others would to, so that
'differentials' could be maintained
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Regards, Jerry.

On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 17:48:29 +0000, m wrote:

My first view of HD was at KW.
On a proper CRT tele

Aye I saw HD at IBC in Brighton, says how long ago that was. The time
the the Eureka project was running alongside systems from Sony etc.

Brilliant!

Agreed very impressive both the image quality and size of the box!
The box was huge, to take the bac of the tube. Probably a 50" Sony
CRT set, but could be wrong it was a long time ago.

Downhill ever since.

Yep.

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Cheers
Dave.

In message o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 17:48:29 +0000, m wrote:

My first view of HD was at KW.
On a proper CRT tele

Aye I saw HD at IBC in Brighton, says how long ago that was. The time
the the Eureka project was running alongside systems from Sony etc.

ISTR 3x1" machines running in sync for RGB, BICBW


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In article , lid says...

On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:14:12 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Terry Casey wrote:

But I was talking about viewing it as a 4:3 centre crop ...

(I've just tried deleting a colon at the end of that ellipsis twice - then found a fleck
of something stuck on the screen above the last full stop ...)

I can't see it here..:

Of course you can't, he's wiped it off.

Well, picked off is a better description ...

Strangely, when I flicked it of my fingers, it seems to have landed on Bill's screen ...

(If you look carefully, you can see it on yours now ...!)

--

Terry

1. Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and ordinary and is just a
natural part of the way the world works.

2. Anything that's invented between when you're fifteen and thirty-five is new and
exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.

3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.

(Douglas Adams)

In article , Jerry wrote:
: : And a wage increase which they will inevitably (and quite
: rightly) want
: : for the extra knowledge and skills.
: :
:
: Why "and quite rightly"? Surely this would not have been a
: different job [1] but just keeping up with (the then) current
: technology - sounds more like the usual union crap, something
for
: nothing. With union attitudes like that being common is it
any
: wonder that by the late 1970s the UK had such a crippled
: economy... :~(
:
: If you're paid for your knowledge and skills, and you have to
invest
: time and perhaps money to acquire more skills, why shouldn't
you expect
: to earn more money as a result?

Perhaps because you want to keep your job?! The fact is, most
people would willingly keep their skill sets up to date anyway,
especially when even a blind man could see that technology was
changing (in this instance that television would be 100 percent
colour) within a few years...

The practicality of achieving it would of course depend on the job
market at the time, but it doesn't alter the morality one jot. If you
are expected to work at a greater skill level requiring more knowledge,
it is perfectly reasonable to expect to be paid more. The principle is
well established, whether we are talking about a different job or the
same job at a higher grade. It happens everywhere. Managers are paid
more then clerks, consultants are paid more than doctors, senior
engineers, are paid more than junior ones, and so on.

As far as I can remember, by the time colour television did actually
start on mainstream broadcasting channels, it had been the subject of
various experiments and predictions for several decades, going right
back to John Logie Baird, and while it was a reasonably safe prediction
that it would eventually become the norm, it was by no means easy to
say exactly when.

This happens with a lot of inventions. It's easy to predict them with
hindsight, but the exact time and manner of their appearance is far
from clear before the event. Throughout my entire television career for
instance, starting in the late sixties, various people predicted that
"within the next few years" TV sets would be big flat panels we could
hang on our walls, and yet it didn't really start to happen until I
left the business nearly forty years later. Within what feels like
about five minutes, flat screen displays have become so ubiquitous
we've almost forgotten there was ever a time without them, but it has
actually been for almost the entire history of television.

Rod.
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"Roderick Stewart"
wrote in message
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: In article , Jerry
wrote:

[re the age of closed-shop union greed]

snip
:
: Perhaps because you want to keep your job?! The fact is, most
: people would willingly keep their skill sets up to date
anyway,
: especially when even a blind man could see that technology
was
: changing (in this instance that television would be 100
percent
: colour) within a few years...
:
: The practicality of achieving it would of course depend on the
job
: market at the time, but it doesn't alter the morality one jot.

Indeed, wanting something for nothing, and history went on to
prove that your 'morality' was actually nothing more than simple,
pure, greed. QED...

If you
: are expected to work at a greater skill level requiring more
knowledge,
: it is perfectly reasonable to expect to be paid more.
snip the rest of your "it's a hard life" story

No it is not, if by *not* doing so means that your job ends, only
a fool would think otherwise.
--
Regards, Jerry.

On 02/02/2011 09:51, Jerry wrote:

Perhaps because you want to keep your job?! The fact is, most
people would willingly keep their skill sets up to date anyway,
especially when even a blind man could see that technology was
changing (in this instance that television would be 100 percent
colour) within a few years...


I'm with Jerry here. Any technology related job is forever changing,
and learning to deal with the new stuff goes with the territory. If you
don't like it take up thatching.(1)

Andy

(1) Cue protests from someone who knows how thatching has radically
changed recently...