Vienna New Year's Day Concert - not in HD on the BBC?!?!?

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
: In article , Jerry
mapson.scar
: LID scribeth thus
:

snip
:
: The fact that the BBC *television* only screens the second
half
: of this concert live, even though R3 broadcasts it complete,
: suggests that, other than for the (relative) few who are
: complaining, there is no substantive audience numbers for this
: concert to be screened in SD - never mind HD - within the UK.
BBC
: 2 could easily 'loose' the Kids programming actually shown
: between 10:00am and 11:15am, even more so given the estimated
80
: odd percent DVB accessibility in UK homes and thus access to
: CBeebies and CBBC, if there was evidence to suggest a
substantive
: audience interest in the *televising* of this concert. This is
: what I meant by "objective opinion".
:
: So lets dumb down the BBC even further shall we?..

To me, having 'eye-candy' television is its self dumbing down, as
I said (elsewhere), an intelligent person doesn't need to see
(and nor would he or she be worried in not seeing) a violin
playing to enjoy the music.

Anyone would think that the complaint was that the BBC didn't
actually carry this music concert at all, by any medium...
--
Regards, Jerry.

Jerry wrote:

Lets try putting it this way then;

The fact that the BBC *television* only screens the second half
of this concert live, even though R3 broadcasts it complete,
suggests that, other than for the (relative) few who are
complaining, there is no substantive audience numbers for this
concert to be screened in SD - never mind HD - within the UK. BBC
2 could easily 'loose' the Kids programming actually shown
between 10:00am and 11:15am, even more so given the estimated 80
odd percent DVB accessibility in UK homes and thus access to
CBeebies and CBBC, if there was evidence to suggest a substantive
audience interest in the *televising* of this concert. This is
what I meant by "objective opinion".

Well, a number of points here, not all specifically related to TNYDC.

The Beeb only ever promote a tiny selection of their TV output on air.
You see trailers for the same dozen or so programmes, over and over over
and over over and over again. I have no idea on the criteria used to
determine the choice of programmes selected, but it seems strange to me.

It's typical BBC behavior, they will stop promoting, and or move
programmes into scheduling backwaters, slash their budgets, and watch
the figures decline, and then say, "look, no one is watching anymore,
we'll ditch the show"

Examples, Tomorrow's World, Top of The Pops, and Dr Who Mk 1.

Then bizarrely with other programmes, they'll suddenly decide it's the
best thing since sliced bread, launch, or relaunch it, allocate a
disproportionate budget, and promote the thing to saturation point.
Examples, Dr Who Mk 2, Come Dancing, Top Gear, Little Britain.

BBC 2 ceased being the 'upmarket' PSB channel it used to be long ago,
that seems to be left to BBC 4 now, with a grossly slashed budget of course.

Never mind what commitments BBC 2 SD had on Jan 1st, and I'm sure the
children's programmes would always have pulled a larger audience, the
fact remains that at that time, BBC HD was on its Preview Loop, and as
pointed out, TNYDC was almost certainly arriving in W12 via the EBU HD
Eurovision distribution network. All it would have required was for one
of Red Bee's droids to push a couple of buttons, and click a mouse. No
floss was required, or even desired, such as a BBC commentator,
(probably trampling all over the music, at 20dB above it )

On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 09:44:10 -0000, "Jerry"
wrote:

If so you must be as think as a tree trunk, after all I don't
need to see a violin (or what ever) to know that it is a violin
being played, I also do not need to see the building in which the
concert is being held to know that it is being held in a
building, if I want to see the detail of the building there are
better ways of doing so that to watch a music consort on TV...

It's called 'atmosphere', something we miss because we rarely go to
'live' concerts now.

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On Jan 4, 5:34*pm, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article
,
* wrote:

On Jan 4, 1:57 pm, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Jerry

wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message
... Lets face it, this concert
doesn't actually need the moving image, indeed I found myself
switching *back* to R3 during the second half of the concert, having
had to listen live to the first half on via R3 anyway.

Indeed, you could argue it *was* on 'HD' since the BBC R3 'hd audio'
320k iplayer stream carried it quite nicely. *8-]
While the HD Sound stream was being tested in iPlayer, all the on-
demand offerings were also 320kbps.

Surprised by that.

My experience at the time of the proms was that when I listened to the same
proms later on 'listen again' the Flash plugin reported the streams were at
128k. This did surprise me since my (unreliable) recollection was that R3
was 192k for listen again a year previously. Can't recall ever finding that
R3 listen again was 320k.

I could be mistaken or mis-remembering! I didn't keep anything that
week, so can't check. It was only a week IIRC - the on-demand
programmes encoded then were 320kbps, but ones encoded just before and
just after were the normal 192kbps.

When I get a chance I'll check to see if the 'listen again' for R3 is now
192k.

The bitrate reported by the flash plugin isn't reliable. It currently
says 128kbps but the streams are actually 192kbps.

Cheers,
David.

In article , Jerry wrote:
: So lets dumb down the BBC even further shall we?..

To me, having 'eye-candy' television is its self dumbing down, as
I said (elsewhere), an intelligent person doesn't need to see
(and nor would he or she be worried in not seeing) a violin
playing to enjoy the music.

There's no "need" to have broadcasting at all, radio or television, but
some people enjoy it.

I agree that in the case of a symphony concert, the music is the main
thing, but it can sometimes also be interesting to watch the techniques
of the performers, or sometimes just their faces. Even if you
personally don't like something, the broadcasters are doing their job
as long as everyone has the choice.

Rod.
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On Jan 4, 6:01*pm, Mike Brown wrote:
On 04/01/2011 17:21, J G Miller wrote:

On Tuesday, January 4th, 2011 at 17:02:47h +0000, Brian Mc wrote:

The strange thing is Ms Nagler appeared to be listening when people told
her that this concert was in HD elsewhere, investigated and then STILL
came back with a "we cannnot do it as its not available"!

Could it be that they had already booked an SD feed for whatever
reason, then when people started asking why people in other countries
were going to be able to watch in HD, that they investigated and then
decided that they could not change from SD to HD without great expense,
or even possibly that no distribution system to the UKofGB&NI could be
made available in the remaining time, so just declared "it is not available"?

As the 2011 concert has come and gone, the question becomes, will the 2012
concert be availble on BBC in HD?

The more I hear and think about this, the more it seems like an
oversight somewhere. It would be nice to think that the BBC will have
noted viewers' reactions to this and that they'll make sure they find a
way of accomodating the programme in HD next year.

Enough people complained about this "oversight" in 2009...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcintern..._schedule.html
....that you'd have thought that they'd have got it right in 2010!

In my opinion simulcasting the BBC4 highlights package in the evening
would have been more worthwhile than showing a repeat of Mary Poppins.

Yes - but any time on New Year's Day would have been fine by me.

Cheers,
David.

On Jan 5, 10:59*am, "Jerry" wrote:
"Brian Mc" wrote in message

...
: In uk.tech.digital-tv Jerry
wrote:
:: Perhaps it just needs objective opinion, after all the BBC
must
:: get requests for HD programmes from the "In the Night Garden",
:: through "Top Gear", to "The best of Wogan" and everything
:: in-between.
:
: Some of which would need substantial cost to do! Anything
already supplied in
: HD by a foreign broadcaster and supplied via the EBU should
have just an HD
: circuit cost - which is totally minimal!
:

Whhhooossshhhh.... :~(

Lets try putting it this way then;

The fact that the BBC *television* only screens the second half
of this concert live, even though R3 broadcasts it complete,
suggests that, other than for the (relative) few who are
complaining, there is no substantive audience numbers for this
concert to be screened in SD - never mind HD - within the UK. BBC
2 could easily 'loose' the Kids programming actually shown
between 10:00am and 11:15am, even more so given the estimated 80
odd percent DVB accessibility in UK homes and thus access to
CBeebies and CBBC, if there was evidence to suggest a substantive
audience interest in the *televising* of this concert. This is
what I meant by "objective opinion".

I know you're a troll who didn't even watch it, but music certainly
_does_ get watched on BBC Two.

Carols from Kings: 1.9 million.
http://www.barb.co.uk/report/weeklyT...sOverview?_s=3

Only one programme across the whole week's output on channel five
attracted that many viewers, and no programme on any channel further
down the EPG attracted that many viewers at any time that week.
Including any of the football on Sky Sports.

Maybe they should relegate football to the radio instead?

Cheers,
David.

On Jan 4, 5:57*pm, Mike Brown wrote:
On 04/01/2011 16:38, Jerry wrote:

"J G *wrote in message
..

snip anti BBC rant

What ever... The fact remains that no one *needed* it to be
broadcast in HD vision, the music would have sounded just as good
had the *picture* been 405 line B&W! There was visual content far
more suitable, and deserving, if the BBC was (is) going to waste
bandwidth on HD.

In your humble opinion.

I could easily come up with a whole list of programmes which I don't
personally need to have broadcast in HD but this newsgroup is not here
as a platform for my opinion on this. Neither is it here for yours.

The idea that HD is a waste of bandwidth might be on topic though.

Who thinks the BBC should scrap BBC HD and BBC One HD, and launch 10
new DVB-T2 MPEG-4 SD-only channels in their place?

No one?

Cheers,
David.

"Alan White" wrote in message
...

snip
: It's called 'atmosphere', something we miss because
: we rarely go to 'live' concerts now.


Which is still accessible via the 'live' radio broadcast. Of
course if the 'atmosphere' you seek is not that of the
musicians...

Even if one does need visual clues it still doesn't answer why
this concert needs to be in HD rather than SD (or even B&W 405
line!). Sorry.
--
Regards, Jerry.

On 05/01/2011 12:44, wrote:

Who thinks the BBC should scrap BBC HD and BBC One HD, and launch 10
new DVB-T2 MPEG-4 SD-only channels in their place?

No one?

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mb