Vienna New Year's Day Concert - not in HD on the BBC?!?!?

"Brian Mc" wrote in message
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: In uk.tech.digital-tv Jerry
wrote:
:: What ever... The fact remains that no one *needed* it to be
:: broadcast in HD vision, the music would have sounded just as
good
:: had the *picture* been 405 line B&W! There was visual content
far
:: more suitable, and deserving, if the BBC was (is) going to
waste
:: bandwidth on HD.
:
: BBCHD was on its Preview Loop when this was broadcast - thus
there was
: HD bandwidth going spare!

Which suggest that BBCHD are not allowed to broadcast outside
those times (for what ever reason), thus the only place the BBC
could have screened the content in question was on BBC1HD, not
only would that cause other more worthy content to be dropped but
would have split the channel away from it's 'parent'.

:
: The strange thing is Ms Nagler appeared to be listening when
people told
: her that this concert was in HD elsewhere, investigated and
then STILL
: came back with a "we cannnot do it as its not available"!
:

It could well be broadcast elsewhere, that doesn't mean that the
BBC can obtain the (HD) rights though.
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Regards, Jerry.

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On Jan 4, 1:57 pm, Jim Lesurf wrote:
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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
... Lets face it, this concert
doesn't actually need the moving image, indeed I found myself
switching *back* to R3 during the second half of the concert, having
had to listen live to the first half on via R3 anyway.

Indeed, you could argue it *was* on 'HD' since the BBC R3 'hd audio'
320k iplayer stream carried it quite nicely. 8-]

While the HD Sound stream was being tested in iPlayer, all the on-
demand offerings were also 320kbps.

Surprised by that.

My experience at the time of the proms was that when I listened to the same
proms later on 'listen again' the Flash plugin reported the streams were at
128k. This did surprise me since my (unreliable) recollection was that R3
was 192k for listen again a year previously. Can't recall ever finding that
R3 listen again was 320k.

I did make some comparison recordings of the listen again, but spent so
much time on the 320k compared with the 192k live and BBC4 TV that I didn't
get around to it!

Not that it really matters. The 192kbps versions available on demand are
fine.

When I get a chance I'll check to see if the 'listen again' for R3 is now
192k.

Slainte,

Jim

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In uk.tech.digital-tv Jerry wrote:
: : BBCHD was on its Preview Loop when this was broadcast - thus
: there was
: : HD bandwidth going spare!

: Which suggest that BBCHD are not allowed to broadcast outside
: those times (for what ever reason)

You are making unwarranted assumptions! BBCHD *IS* allowed to broadcast
"special events" outside its "normal hours - and always has been!

On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 16:36:37 -0000, "Michael Chare"
wrote:

"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
.. .

I suspect that for many music-lovers the sound quality on Radio 3 would
be preferable to what they would get on their TVs regardless of SD or
HD.

Well the HD (TV) sound from the S/PDIF port of my Humax Freesat PVR just
produces a nasty noise when connected to my HiFi, no doubt because it is in
5.1 format which the HiFi does no accept. The Humax does not allow the
normal stereo sound track to be selected.

Stereo output should be available in analogue form on the two RCA
sockets to the left of the SCART sockets.

I actually use an HDMI cable between the Humax Freesat PVR and the TV
then take the analogue stereo output from the TV. The results are not
necessarily the best possible but the sound is far superior to that out
of the TV's speakers.

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Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

On 4 Jan, 17:24, "Jerry" wrote:
"Mike Brown" wrote in message

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: On 04/01/2011 16:49, J G Miller wrote:
: On Tuesday, January 4th, 2011 at 16:38:15h +0000, JerryMapson wrote:

:
: What ever...
:
: Exactly.
:
: You do not care whether the broadcast was available in HD or
not
: or whether the BBC lied.
:
: I assume the ****wit troll thinks that all music broadcasts on
the
: new-fangled television are a waste of time and resources.
:

Oh right, so the idea of a music concert is to watch people,
sorry for thinking that the music is the most important part of
the proceedings, and you have the audacity to call me a
****wit...
--
"You obviously couldn't get a clue if you rolled in
clue musk and performed the clue mating dance
in the middle of a field full of horny clues at the
height of the clue mating season!"

I should perhaps point out that this broadcast contains a number of
ballet sequences. Looking to see if the lady dancers are wearing
underwear (which one famously forgot to do in 2003) is greatly helped
by HD.

On Jan 4, 5:21*pm, J G Miller wrote:
On Tuesday, January 4th, 2011 at 17:02:47h +0000, Brian Mc wrote:
The strange thing is Ms Nagler appeared to be listening when people told
her that this concert was in HD elsewhere, investigated and then STILL
came back with a "we cannnot do it as its not available"!

Could it be that they had already booked an SD feed for whatever
reason, then when people started asking why people in other countries
were going to be able to watch in HD, that they investigated and then
decided that they could not change from SD to HD without great expense,
or even possibly that no distribution system to the UKofGB&NI could be
made available in the remaining time, so just declared "it is not available"?

Doubt it. It's an EBU concert, supposedly distributed throughout the
EBU in HD. I don't know if it's fibre or satellite, but I think the
BBC gets it whether they want it or not.

A question raised on Digital Spy was whether the (compressed) EBU HD
feed was too low a bitrate according to BBC HD acquisition guidelines.
If that was the problem, it would be quite ironic, given that the BBC
HD channels are encoded at too low a bitrate according to EBU HD
broadcast guidelines!

As the 2011 concert has come and gone, the question becomes, will the 2012
concert be availble on BBC in HD?

Fifth time lucky you mean? It's been made in HD for the last four
years, and each time BBC HD (test) has not shown it.

Cheers,
David.

On 04/01/2011 17:24, Jerry wrote:

Oh right, so the idea of a music concert is to watch people,
sorry for thinking that the music is the most important part of
the proceedings, and you have the audacity to call me a
****wit...

I didn't say that the music wasn't important, it is. But the programme
also included many interesting and intricate visual elements including
the work of the conductor, the building's architecture and decor, and by
no means least, the dancing.

But I assume you're a grown-up and don' really need me to waste my time
telling you why they put musical concerts on tv.

This thread is about why the programme was not available in HD in the
UK. There's a clue in the subject line. If you're not interested, kindly
keep quiet.

--
mb

On 04/01/2011 16:38, Jerry wrote:
"J G wrote in message
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snip anti BBC rant

What ever... The fact remains that no one *needed* it to be
broadcast in HD vision, the music would have sounded just as good
had the *picture* been 405 line B&W! There was visual content far
more suitable, and deserving, if the BBC was (is) going to waste
bandwidth on HD.

In your humble opinion.

I could easily come up with a whole list of programmes which I don't
personally need to have broadcast in HD but this newsgroup is not here
as a platform for my opinion on this. Neither is it here for yours.

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mb

On 04/01/2011 17:21, J G Miller wrote:
On Tuesday, January 4th, 2011 at 17:02:47h +0000, Brian Mc wrote:

The strange thing is Ms Nagler appeared to be listening when people told
her that this concert was in HD elsewhere, investigated and then STILL
came back with a "we cannnot do it as its not available"!

Could it be that they had already booked an SD feed for whatever
reason, then when people started asking why people in other countries
were going to be able to watch in HD, that they investigated and then
decided that they could not change from SD to HD without great expense,
or even possibly that no distribution system to the UKofGB&NI could be
made available in the remaining time, so just declared "it is not available"?

As the 2011 concert has come and gone, the question becomes, will the 2012
concert be availble on BBC in HD?

The more I hear and think about this, the more it seems like an
oversight somewhere. It would be nice to think that the BBC will have
noted viewers' reactions to this and that they'll make sure they find a
way of accomodating the programme in HD next year.

In my opinion simulcasting the BBC4 highlights package in the evening
would have been more worthwhile than showing a repeat of Mary Poppins.

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mb

Jerry wrote:

How about answering my factually correct statement that a MUSIC
concert doesn't need HD vision, or is that to difficult for your
brain cell to grasp?

But, as pointed out, the NYDC is so much more than a straight forward music
concert. I assume you've actually seen the broadcast over the years ?

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