Seen in the Daily Sun

DIGITAL REFUSENIKS FACE LOSS OF TV SET
Following a declaration from digital refusenik pressure group ARSE
(Analogue Reception Shouldn't Expire) that members will abandon
broadcast TV and simply watch old VCR recordings, the government issued
a statement tonight. In a shock move Digital UK has been authorised to
confiscate the TV sets of people refusing to 'go digital'. See
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11023364/TV%...ion%20item.jpg

Bill

I'm surprised the Sun is actually not called a comic.

Mind you I suppose as most papers are a fair proportion fiction in any
case its just a matter of degree.
A friend of mine apparently gets very acceptable pictures with one of those
credit card freeview thingies plugged into the aerial of a portable he has
had for 15 years made by Hitachi.

Brian

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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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DIGITAL REFUSENIKS FACE LOSS OF TV SET
Following a declaration from digital refusenik pressure group ARSE
(Analogue Reception Shouldn't Expire) that members will abandon broadcast
TV and simply watch old VCR recordings, the government issued a statement
tonight. In a shock move Digital UK has been authorised to confiscate the
TV sets of people refusing to 'go digital'. See
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11023364/TV%...ion%20item.jpg

Bill

On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 00:33:34 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

In a shock move Digital UK has been authorised to confiscate
the TV sets of people refusing to 'go digital'.

Hardly shocking. If people are refusing to buy a new idtv set,
then the old ones have to be confiscated in order to maintain the
lucrative export trade of junked TVs to various African nations
for recycling.

"J G Miller" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 00:33:34 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

In a shock move Digital UK has been authorised to confiscate
the TV sets of people refusing to 'go digital'.

Hardly shocking. If people are refusing to buy a new idtv set,
then the old ones have to be confiscated in order to maintain the
lucrative export trade of junked TVs to various African nations
for recycling.

Beaing in mind that there isn't a newspapre in the UK entitled the "Daily
Sun", look at
http://help.digitaluk.co.uk/display/....aspx?aid=6113
where you will read:

IF I DON'T DO ANYTHING, WILL I LOSE MY TELEVISION?

"If you only have analogue TV Services (four or five channels) any TV you
want to keep watching after the switchover will need to be converted with a
digital box.
If you already have more than five standard TV channels on all your TV sets,
then you are probably ready for switchover. However, if you only have
digital TV on your main set, you'll need to think about converting any
others. If you have Freeview you will need to re-tune at each stage of the
digital switchover.
Satellite and cable services such as Sky, Freesat and Virgin Media are not
affected by switchover.
Enter your postcode and house number into our postcode checker to find out
what digital TV services are available in your area."




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J G Miller wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 00:33:34 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:
In a shock move Digital UK has been authorised to confiscate
the TV sets of people refusing to 'go digital'.

Hardly shocking. If people are refusing to buy a new idtv set,
then the old ones have to be confiscated in order to maintain the
lucrative export trade of junked TVs to various African nations
for recycling.

Not as silly as it sounds, quite a few African countries employ PAL System-I,
so our TV sets would indeed work there, though South Africa is DSO'ing next
year, so get a move on with any export scheme for the-

http://www.psreporter.com/pal_system_tv_standard.html

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On Wednesday, December 29th, 2010 at 14:48:33h +0000,
Mark Carver wrote:

though South Africa is DSO'ing next year

Next year?

According to

http://www.techcentral.co.ZA/digital-television-migration-delayed-to-2013/12841/

QUOTE

Digital television migration delayed to 2013

This article was posted by Editor on Feb 15th, 2010

SA’s full migration to digital terrestrial television
has been delayed until April 2013 at the earliest,
meaning the country will switch off its analogue television
signal at least 18 months later than government had
originally envisaged.

UNQUOTE

Also is it correct to say that RSA will go directly to DVB-t2
transmission with MPEG-4 encoding along with other Southern African
nations, which have not yet switched.

Mauritius has alread switched off analog and is using DVB-t/MPEG-2.

http://www.dvb.ORG/news_events/news/sadc-selects-dvb-t2/index.xml

J G Miller wrote:

Also is it correct to say that RSA will go directly to DVB-t2
transmission with MPEG-4 encoding along with other Southern African
nations, which have not yet switched.

Well, SABC are already carrying T1/MPEG 2 DTT test transmissions, and have
been for a while. No one seems to give a stuff about terrestrial down there
anyway, when I've asked SABC technical staff these sort of questions they just
shrug their shoulders. Satellite rules the roost, and the SAs don't have the
same ridiculous aversion to satellite dishes that we do.

Myself and SWMBO went on a 1600 mile road trip through the country last month,
everywhere we stayed uses D-Sat via an M-NET box. (SA's equivalent of BSkyB).
One thing that impressed me is that MNET often show a 1 minute promo carefully
explaining how to make the correct 16:9 or 4:3 settings on your MNET
box, and TV set. Full marks, something you never see auntie Beeb or
Sky doing !


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On 29 Dec., 16:05, J G Miller wrote:
On Wednesday, December 29th, 2010 at 14:48:33h +0000,

Also is it correct to say that RSA will go directly to DVB-t2
transmission with MPEG-4 encoding along with other Southern African
nations, which have not yet switched.

Mauritius has alread switched off analog and is using DVB-t/MPEG-2.

* *http://www.dvb.ORG/news_events/news/sadc-selects-dvb-t2/index.xml

Brazil and Japan was trying to change the DVB-T plans.

DVB-T and ISDB-T is the same technology generation with
one better on some points and the orher better on some other points.
One problem is that ISDB-T is designed for 6 MHz (UHF) channels
and SA is planned for an 8 MHz UHF channel raster.
An 8 MHz version of ISDN-T would have a rather small African
marktet and likely high receiver prices.

DVB-T2 is hugely better and can very easily be used
where DVB-T has been planned. DVB-T2 was tested with
success in Soweto this past August-October.
ISDB-T can never match the performance and robustness of
DVB-T2. It was selected by the organisation SADC in November 2010
SADC countries using already using DVB-T can continue and migrate
at a later date (e.g. Mauritius)

The SADC members - as shown on the DVB.ORG link above -
are the countries Angola, Botswana, DRC, Lesotho, Madagascar,
Malawi, Mauritius, Mozambique, Namibia, Seychelles, South Africa,
Swaziland, Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbabwe.

The Broadcasters of SA did in no way want ISDB-T or drop DVB-T.
But DVB-T2 and its much better performance turned out to be the
only sure and safe way to avoid an invasion of ISDB-T and Brazil.

No official SA DSO plan has been published after DVB-T2 was
recommended by the SADC (IFAIK). There seems to be little doubt
that SA will DSO with DVB-T2 - though a singel DVB-T
mux may stay some time after DSO in Jo'burg - I guess.

Lars

On Wednesday, December 29th, 2010 at 15:19:58h -0800, ReslFJ wrote:

DVB-T and ISDB-T is the same technology generation with one better on
some points and the orher better on some other points. One problem is
that ISDB-T is designed for 6 MHz (UHF) channels and SA is planned for
an 8 MHz UHF channel raster.

You raise an interesting.

Is there an optimum frequency width for DVB-t or DVB-t2 channels?

That is, would there be any noticeably gain in efficiency by dropping
the standard 6 or 8 MHz channel legacy channel width and introducing a
new channel width specifically for DVB-t/DVB-t2 in order to slice up
the remaining broadcasting spectrum after sell off (800 MHz and above)
into new channels?

"reslfj" wrote in message
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On 29 Dec., 16:05, J G Miller wrote:
On Wednesday, December 29th, 2010 at 14:48:33h +0000,

Also is it correct to say that RSA will go directly to DVB-t2
transmission with MPEG-4 encoding along with other Southern African
nations, which have not yet switched.

Mauritius has alread switched off analog and is using DVB-t/MPEG-2.

http://www.dvb.ORG/news_events/news/sadc-selects-dvb-t2/index.xml

Brazil and Japan was trying to change the DVB-T plans.

DVB-T and ISDB-T is the same technology generation with
one better on some points and the orher better on some other points.
One problem is that ISDB-T is designed for 6 MHz (UHF) channels
and SA is planned for an 8 MHz UHF channel raster.
An 8 MHz version of ISDN-T would have a rather small African
marktet and likely high receiver prices.

DVB-T2 is hugely better and can very easily be used
where DVB-T has been planned. DVB-T2 was tested with
success in Soweto this past August-October.
ISDB-T can never match the performance and robustness of
DVB-T2. It was selected by the organisation SADC in November 2010
SADC countries using already using DVB-T can continue and migrate
at a later date (e.g. Mauritius)

The SADC members - as shown on the DVB.ORG link above -
are the countries Angola, Botswana, DRC, Lesotho, Madagascar,
Malawi, Mauritius, Mozambique, Namibia, Seychelles, South Africa,
Swaziland, Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbabwe.

The Broadcasters of SA did in no way want ISDB-T or drop DVB-T.
But DVB-T2 and its much better performance turned out to be the
only sure and safe way to avoid an invasion of ISDB-T and Brazil.

No official SA DSO plan has been published after DVB-T2 was
recommended by the SADC (IFAIK). There seems to be little doubt
that SA will DSO with DVB-T2 - though a singel DVB-T
mux may stay some time after DSO in Jo'burg - I guess.



Poor old Canada, who haven't yet gone through DSO and still (in theory at
least) have the luxury of being able to opt for the best future proof
system, as usual being 'influenced' by their neighbours into adopting the
long in the tooth ATSC system, which seems a bit like us choosing to use 405
lines NTSC after the rest of Europe and other parts of the world had moved
on to 625 line PAL.