BBC to reduce DSat red button service to match Freeview

"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:10:41 -0000, "David"
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets...tton_final.pdf


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Strange. Perhaps the url is being truncated.

Try this:
http://tinyurl.com/35ll9rn

Got it
Thanks
David

"J G Miller" wrote in message
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: On Friday, November 12th, 2010 at 17:45:41h +0000, Zero
Tolerance wrote:
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: No realistic possibility that I can see, though.
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: So the fact that OfCon changed the licencing conditions of the
"Freeview"
: multiplexes B, C, and D to remove the "free to air" only
restriction, ie
: allow subscription content did not create a realistic
possibility?
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At the behest of ITV most likely...

That said, many think that if ITV (who are the only/most likely
broadcaster on FV) start hiding channels behind a paywall it will
be the start of the end of ITV, far to many already well
established pay TV channels to choose from already whilst other
FTA channels could easily fill the (non soap) vacuum that would
be left by ITV, I can't think of any other channel or broadcaster
who is not already behind a paywall on FV going that route -
those that might could/would already be behind one already -
thinking of Virgin and Discovery (aka Quest) or those hiding
behind the BT Vision paywall etc.
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Regards, Jerry.

It seems to me that the BBC lost a lot of the bandwidth it used for its
interactive services on Freeview in order to make room for the HD channels
post-DSO. Two of the HD channels are the BBC's own but the other two are ITV
1 HD and Channel 4 HD, so how about ITV and Ch4 hand back the bandwidth
wasted by their +1 channels?

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JM

On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:54:34 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
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So the fact that OfCon changed the licencing conditions of the "Freeview"
multiplexes B, C, and D to remove the "free to air" only restriction, ie
allow subscription content did not create a realistic possibility?

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.UK/consultations/paytv/

Mux B is completely within the control of the BBC. The removal of the
FTA restriction there is merely a shim to allow Arqiva to short-sell
capacity which they do not yet own by using ex-BBC space in pre-DSO
areas.

Across the rest of the muxes, there's not enough room to do anything
of any particular value from a pay-tv perspective because there are
too many vested interests squatting on the capacity.

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On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:58:25 +0000, Zero Tolerance wrote:

Mux B is completely within the control of the BBC.

Post DSO, Multiplex B does not exist and is shared between BBC, Channel 3
licencees, and C4, and maybe five, for HD services.

So the fact that BBC lost considerable capacity on what was Multiplex B
shows that it is most definitely not within the control of the BBC.

Across the rest of the muxes, there's not enough room to do anything of
any particular value from a pay-tv perspective because there are too
many vested interests squatting on the capacity.

Yes, at the present time with DVB-t/MPEG-2. But when Arquiva can persuade
the relevant parties that it is time to DVB-t2/MPEG-4 (which will be fully
endorsed by OfCon or its successor) then $ky Picnic, for example, could
very well be back on the table.

"J G Miller" wrote in message
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snip:
: Yes, at the present time with DVB-t/MPEG-2. But when Arquiva
can persuade
: the relevant parties that it is time to DVB-t2/MPEG-4 (which
will be fully
: endorsed by OfCon or its successor) then $ky Picnic, for
example, could
: very well be back on the table.

I can just smell the revolting public if the above does happen...

Perhaps the next BBC licence fee settlement will see the BBC
funding replacement STB, PVRs and TVs!
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Regards, Jerry.

On Saturday, November 13th, 2010 at 15:31:49h +0000, Jerry wrote:

I can just smell the revolting public if the above does happen...

Smell?

Have you not already *seen* the revolting public in action at Millbank House
this week?

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:56:00 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:58:25 +0000, Zero Tolerance wrote:

Mux B is completely within the control of the BBC.

Post DSO, Multiplex B does not exist and is shared between BBC, Channel 3
licencees, and C4, and maybe five, for HD services.

So the fact that BBC lost considerable capacity on what was Multiplex B
shows that it is most definitely not within the control of the BBC.

Very nice. However as I thought was clear, I was referring to
Multiplex B as it exists now, and not in its nonexistent form
post-DSO.

Yes, at the present time with DVB-t/MPEG-2. But when Arquiva can persuade
the relevant parties that it is time to DVB-t2/MPEG-4 (which will be fully
endorsed by OfCon or its successor) then $ky Picnic, for example, could
very well be back on the table.

Still not likely, IMHO. Ofcom made sure that Picnic was kicked into
the long grass years ago. We won't be seeing that again. All the rest
of any new capacity would be sucked up by the usual suspects - ITV,
BBC, C4, Five, to maintain their status quo of terrestrial viewing
share.


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On Sunday, November 14th, 2010 at 18:21:02h +0000, Zero Tolerance suggested:

Still not likely, IMHO.

Maybe not likely, but it does have a greater possibility with
DVB-t2/MPEG-4 multiplexes.

Ofcom made sure that Picnic was kicked into the long grass years ago.

For a good technical reason. OfCon promotes, as it should, DVB-t2
because it is a more efficient use of spectrum.

B$kyB was proposing DVB-t/MPEG-4 for Picnic.

Having mixed MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 on a DVB-t multiplex was a variable
that OfCon did not wish to countenance, especially as some integrated
televisions and digital converter boxes may have been unable to cope
with mixed encoding on a multiplex.

With the proposed abolition of OfCon, and a very B$kyB friendly Secretary
of State at DCMS who is under obligation to repay Uncle Rupert for his
support during the recent election and to maintain goodwill for the duration
of the current administration and into the next election, policies which
are not in the financial interest of B$kyB will not be pursued.

"J G Miller" wrote in message
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On Saturday, November 13th, 2010 at 15:31:49h +0000, Jerry wrote:

I can just smell the revolting public if the above does happen...

Smell?

Have you not already *seen* the revolting public in action at Millbank
House
this week?


That was not at all representative of the country and achieved nothing other
than harden The Coalitions resolve.