BBC 1 HD Picture Quality - Any views?

On Nov 5, 4:24*pm, "David" wrote:
If the material is good and better than the SD standards will it come out in
HD?
Cinema films being a good example if the BBC actually use 35mm cinema film
or do they use some cheaper vehicle with poorer quality to equate to the
lower standards of SD?

It's an interesting point. If something is shot in super-16, then it
could be scanned in HD. That's not good enough to count as "HD" as far
as the BBC HD guidelines are concerned, but it'll still look better
than SD. Given that BBC One is now simulcast, it would make sense to
put all the super-16 film, 940x720 video, etc through an "HD"
production route, so that it at least looks as good as it can on BBC
One HD.

Problem with things like Merlin is that the film will be scanned in SD
and the effects will be added in SD. Once something has gone through
the full production process in SD, it's expensive to do it all again
in HD. Special effects like Merlin are a worst-case scenario.

A more interesting example is/was Life on Mars and the early Ashes to
Ashes. Shot on super-16, produced and edited as SD video (because BBC
doesn't count super-16 as HD). For the BluRay release, they could have
returned to the super-16 film and scanned in HD (would have given a
far nicer picture), but they decided to upscaled the existing SD edit
instead. Life on Mars is hardly effects heavy, but re-doing all the
edits in HD was judged to be a waste of money.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...d.php?t=858282

Unless the folks at BBC One HD wake up and understand the potential,
they'll be a lot of this - programmes in better than SD but not quite
"BBC HD" standard, shown in SD-only because no one thought to edit
them in HD.

Cheers,
David.

"Zathras the Gnome" wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:36:59 -0000, "j r powell"
wrote:

For what it's worth, I've already read papers on the 3-field deinterlace
method used in broadcast ARCs.

You must be a good laugh down your local!

Please, feel free to share your superior knowledge on this subject!

Sooty whispers Wait. What's that Sooty? ....... Zathras is merely a
bull**** merchant with an ego problem who hasn't got a clue? ....... And
these unsubstantiated insults are the best he'll ever manage, at least
without desperately googling?

On second thoughts then gnome boy, don't bother.

jamie.
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On Nov 4, 1:57*pm, Alan wrote:
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 05:29:53 -0700 (PDT), scoobie

wrote:
What's the point ofHDif you don't do it properly?

Some of us have been asking that since August 2009 when the bit-rate was
chopped.

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There is a poll about BBC HD picture quality here
http://hdcampaign.kk5.org/

On Nov 5, 9:32*am, Alan wrote:
On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:26:25 +0000, Geoff Berrow
wrote:

I can only conclude that they have degraded the HD stuff so that the
transition between HD and upscaled SD is not so jarring

As I keep posting, since August 2009 when the HD bit rate was reduced.

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Alan White
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Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:-http://windycroft.co.uk/weather


I've read some BBC Trust documents and they seem to have cut the
satellite bitrates to maintain parity between sky ,freesat hd and
freeview hd which is nonsense in my opinion. ie they want everyone to
have the same picture quality irrespective of platform
http://hdcampaign.kk5.org/

On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:49:40 -0000, "j r powell"
wrote:

"Zathras the Gnome" wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:36:59 -0000, "j r powell"
wrote:

For what it's worth, I've already read papers on the 3-field deinterlace
method used in broadcast ARCs.

You must be a good laugh down your local!

Please, feel free to share your superior knowledge on this subject!

Sooty whispers Wait. What's that Sooty? ....... Zathras is merely a
bull**** merchant with an ego problem who hasn't got a clue? ....... And
these unsubstantiated insults are the best he'll ever manage, at least
without desperately googling?

On second thoughts then gnome boy, don't bother.

Whooooosh...

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Z

"Zathras the Gnome" wrote in message
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On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:49:40 -0000, "j r powell"
wrote:

"Zathras the Gnome" wrote in message
.. .

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:36:59 -0000, "j r powell"
wrote:

For what it's worth, I've already read papers on the 3-field
deinterlace
method used in broadcast ARCs.

You must be a good laugh down your local!

Please, feel free to share your superior knowledge on this subject!

Sooty whispers Wait. What's that Sooty? ....... Zathras is merely a
bull**** merchant with an ego problem who hasn't got a clue? ....... And
these unsubstantiated insults are the best he'll ever manage, at least
without desperately googling?

On second thoughts then gnome boy, don't bother.

Whooooosh...

It's always a laugh when clueless gnomes make whooshing noises.

jamie.
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On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:27:32 -0000, "j r powell"
wrote:

"Zathras the Gnome" wrote in message
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On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:49:40 -0000, "j r powell"
wrote:

"Zathras the Gnome" wrote in message
.. .

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:36:59 -0000, "j r powell"
wrote:

For what it's worth, I've already read papers on the 3-field
deinterlace
method used in broadcast ARCs.

You must be a good laugh down your local!

Please, feel free to share your superior knowledge on this subject!

Sooty whispers Wait. What's that Sooty? ....... Zathras is merely a
bull**** merchant with an ego problem who hasn't got a clue? ....... And
these unsubstantiated insults are the best he'll ever manage, at least
without desperately googling?

On second thoughts then gnome boy, don't bother.

Whooooosh...

It's always a laugh when clueless gnomes make whooshing noises.

Sounds like you live in a fantasy..

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Z

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"Geoff Berrow" wrote in message
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I'm saying that Autumnwatch Unsprung, which is shot with a few of
redheads in a makeshift studio and hand held cameras is significantly
better than the studio shots on the flagship BBC News programme which
one might reasonably expect to be shot in HD.



that's because the bbc news isn't HD.
seems the bbc 1 hd channel has the logo whether they are airing sd or hd -
unlike say itv hd or channel 4 hd who keep the logo for the HD stuff.



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The presence of DOG **** is going to be a deterrent for me downgrading to
BBC-HD. Why is it beyond the wit of man to make this corporate graffiti
switchable?

"Zathras the Gnome" wrote in message
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On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:27:32 -0000, "j r powell"
wrote:

It's always a laugh when clueless gnomes make whooshing noises.

Sounds like you live in a fantasy..

That'd be one lame fantasy if it contained ****wits like you.

jamie.
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I've just been looking at BBC1 HD and BBC1 SD on a Panasonic Viera. Both
pictures were badly affected by artifacts (the ones that look like an
over-compressed jpg). There really was very little to choose between the
two. I turned off the picture 'enhancements' but this didn't seem to
have any effect. It left me wondering if there is something I don't know
-- something hidden away that needed to be turned off.

Bill