Dish Alignment, Weather or what

On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:35:31 +0000, Mike Henry
wrote:

In , Nick Le Lievre
wrote:

Loads of people warned me about their cowboyesque installation of the
dish so I am not surprised this has happened

That's a nice attempt to re-write history, but it won't happen that
easily. At the time, you put effort into defending their shoddy work and
brushing aside the advice being posted here.

My impression was that Nick was nervous, even timid, about confronting
the powers-that-be particularly since he would have been challenging
them on the basis of second-hand information from unknown people in this
newsgroup.

I could be wrong (apologies if I am) but I seem to remember Nick making
comments some time ago that suggested that for health reasons he might
not have the mental stamina to enter into a prolonged argie-bargie.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
...
I have been having trouble with certain Satellite channels, I was
compiling a list of those which either breakup or say no Satellite signal
being received then all of a sudden every channel now says no Satellite
signal being received.



Web sites such as:

http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html
http://www.satbeams.com/channels?position=028

will tell you which satellites your channels are coming from.

They also show the frequency and polarity.

Using this information you may (should) be able to work out what the
channels that you are not receiving very well have in common.

The Astra 2 satellites at 28.2E are in a slightly different position from
Eurobird 1 which is at 28.5E

If a dish is not correctly aligned it may be that either all the Eurobird
channels or all the Astra channels are weak.

If there are problems with say all the Vertical channels or all the higher
frequency channels then the problem is more likely to reside with the LNB or
the receiver or maybe the cabling.


--
Michael Chare

On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 23:09:33 +0000, Peter Duncanson wrote:

I could be wrong (apologies if I am) but I seem to remember Nick making
comments some time ago that suggested that for health reasons he might
not have the mental stamina to enter into a prolonged argie-bargie.

Is it possible that the installers took advantage of this and so did
not properly fit the downlead cable in trunking nor install wallplates,
as well as leaving such a mess (the drilling detritus) all over his floor?

I wonder if his neighbor were also treated to such poor workmanship?

Doctor D wrote:

"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in
message ...
I have been having trouble with certain Satellite channels, I was
compiling a list of those which either breakup or say no Satellite
signal being received then all of a sudden every channel now says no
Satellite signal being received.

Here is the list of channels that had issues when I had a picture on
certain channels (note it is not exhaustive as they completely went
off before I finished)

Is it hammering down with rain with you?
IIRC your signal levels were not brilliant and you may be suffering rain
fade and it will come back when the rain calms down.

Or the dish has moved in high wind.

It was a pretty crap installation to start with wasn't it?

Bill

Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:35:31 +0000, Mike Henry
wrote:

In , Nick Le Lievre
wrote:

Loads of people warned me about their cowboyesque installation of the
dish so I am not surprised this has happened
That's a nice attempt to re-write history, but it won't happen that
easily. At the time, you put effort into defending their shoddy work and
brushing aside the advice being posted here.

My impression was that Nick was nervous, even timid, about confronting
the powers-that-be particularly since he would have been challenging
them on the basis of second-hand information from unknown people in this
newsgroup.

I could be wrong (apologies if I am) but I seem to remember Nick making
comments some time ago that suggested that for health reasons he might
not have the mental stamina to enter into a prolonged argie-bargie.

In that case he should find a representative. That's normal practice.
Apart from anything else he is not the customer of these people; he is
the resident or tenant and that's all. He has no contractual
relationship with the installers, except possibly regarding the (very
dodgy and irregular sounding) deal regarding the downleads. He should
complain to his landlord or property manager and let them sort it out.

Are there other residents in the block who use satellite. Nick should
talk to them. Ideally he needs to find a neighbour with a confident
manner and a record of dealing with these matters.

Anyway, the symptoms he describes are absolutely typical of a dish
that's been incompetently installed, is a bit off beam, and is moving
around in the wind. Because we work for a company that manages a lot of
flats that all had TV systems done by a very bad firm I am familiar with
this situation to the point of utter carpet-biting boggle-eyed boredom.

Bill

Michael Chare wrote:
"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in
message ...
I have been having trouble with certain Satellite channels, I was
compiling a list of those which either breakup or say no Satellite
signal being received then all of a sudden every channel now says no
Satellite signal being received.



Web sites such as:

http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html
http://www.satbeams.com/channels?position=028

will tell you which satellites your channels are coming from.

They also show the frequency and polarity.

Using this information you may (should) be able to work out what the
channels that you are not receiving very well have in common.

The Astra 2 satellites at 28.2E are in a slightly different position
from Eurobird 1 which is at 28.5E

If a dish is not correctly aligned it may be that either all the
Eurobird channels or all the Astra channels are weak.

If there are problems with say all the Vertical channels or all the
higher frequency channels then the problem is more likely to reside with
the LNB or the receiver or maybe the cabling.


The movement of a badly fixed dish in the wind must be an order of
magnitude more than the difference between the correct alignments for
the different satellites in the cluster. Using a 65cm dish it is
difficult to discriminate between the satellites.

A big factor affecting the loss of reception when a dish is misaligned
or loose is co-channel interference from satellites in other orbital
slots. The angle subtended here is far far more than that between the
satellites in the same cluster. If you sit for a while and look at the
analyser screen when monitoring a misaligned and/or loose dish you will
see the muxes from your wanted satellite group wax and wane, and
occasionally a different group will make a brief appearance. When it
isn't windy and there are complaints of poor reception it is quite
common to see signals from 'other' orbital slots lurking in the
background. Since the relationship between the frequencies and
polarisations used at the different slots is unpredictable the effects
on the different channels is also unpredictable.

Bill

On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:04:32 +0000, Nick Le Lievre
wrote:

Loads of people warned me about their cowboyesque installation of the
dish so I am not surprised this has happened hopefully they will make an
effort to put it right but I expect they will just realign it and be off.

Several people told you so, but you chose to ignore them.
Serves you right for defending the cowboys.

On Tue, 09 Nov 2010 07:35:38 +0000, Mike Henry
wrote:

In , Nick Le Lievre
wrote:

On 08/11/2010 21:35, Mike Henry wrote:
, Nick Le Lievre
wrote:

Loads of people warned me about their cowboyesque installation of the
dish so I am not surprised this has happened

That's a nice attempt to re-write history, but it won't happen that
easily. At the time, you put effort into defending their shoddy work and
brushing aside the advice being posted here.

I just wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt

There was no doubt. You posted the proof yourself in those pictures.

If I've understood Nick's comments previously he is an end user more
than a customer. I think he lives in public-sector accomodation. The TV
distribution system for all such sccomodation in Jersey has been changed
leading up to DSO. It is the government that has made the strategic
decisions and employed the people/companies that have done the work.
Nick's, and his neighbours', involvement seems to have been limited to
choosing which of the officially offered services to use.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

On 09/11/2010 02:12, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:04:32 +0000, Nick Le Lievre
wrote:

Loads of people warned me about their cowboyesque installation of the
dish so I am not surprised this has happened hopefully they will make an
effort to put it right but I expect they will just realign it and be off.

Several people told you so, but you chose to ignore them.
Serves you right for defending the cowboys.

Like has been said I am not the customer, it was the states of jersey
who chose the contractor and I had no say in it. If I had been
responsible for choosing these guys and not confronting them about their
workmanship then more fool me.

"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
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On 08/11/2010 22:18, J G Miller wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:24:56 +0000, Nick Le Lievre wrote:

and secondly I only paid to be connected 2 months ago so should
have some sort of warranty.

Did the company issue some sort of warranty?

What does Jersey law say about how long a piece of workmanship has
to stay functional?

If they try to charge me something then I will not pay it and take it up
with the Citizens Advice Bureau.


Invoke the Clameur de haro!