Engineers are undervalued in the UK

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode..._the_Engineer/

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Tony Sayer

On 28/09/2010 12:16, tony sayer wrote:
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode..._The_New_Age_o
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"Bloody engineers, can't they get anything right?"

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Adrian C

On 28 Sep, 01:45, "
wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode..._Understood_Th...

The same old mantra no doubt. Engineers - proper engineers with
degrees - have been complaining for years about the misuse of the
term.

In my youth my uncles, who were mainly machine tool operators, were
called engineers. Nowadays the man who fixes your washing machine or
(dare I say it in this group?) the man who installs your TV aerial is
also called an engineer.

Engineer should be a protected term, like doctor or barrister.

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MartinR writes
On 28 Sep, 01:45, "
wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode..._Understood_Th...

The same old mantra no doubt. Engineers - proper engineers with
degrees - have been complaining for years about the misuse of the
term.

In my youth my uncles, who were mainly machine tool operators, were
called engineers. Nowadays the man who fixes your washing machine or
(dare I say it in this group?) the man who installs your TV aerial is
also called an engineer.

Engineer should be a protected term, like doctor or barrister.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOtoujYOWw0
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlJsPa6UwcM&feature=related
plus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXGDRrkaRgU&feature=related

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Ian

MartinR wrote:

Engineer should be a protected term, like doctor or barrister.

Actually in the UK, doctor isn't a protected title

http://www.hpc-uk.org/aboutregistrat...otectedtitles/

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 05:21:47 -0700 (PDT), MartinR wrote:
On 28 Sep, 01:45, "
wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode..._Understood_Th...

The same old mantra no doubt. Engineers - proper engineers with
degrees - have been complaining for years about the misuse of the
term.

In my youth my uncles, who were mainly machine tool operators, were
called engineers. Nowadays the man who fixes your washing machine or
(dare I say it in this group?) the man who installs your TV aerial is
also called an engineer.

Engineer should be a protected term, like doctor or barrister.

How about architect? A proper architect does a long (7 year?)
degree + qualification course. Yet any computer kiddie with
a flip-chart and a book of jargon calls themselves a systems
architect.
Same with me. Officially I consult with companies - that makes
me a consultant. However, say that in a hospital and feathers
would fly. In most of industry I'm known as a contractor, but
they're also the people with muddy boots (c.f. me in a suit+tie)
who dig up the roads.

I think the only real solution is to qualify the err, qualification
with "chartered" or somesuch, to indicate a degree of professional
conduct and standards of work that a profession should offer.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode..._the_Engineer/


Still waiting for HG Wells "shape of things to come" to come true

The military and bureaucrats still rule, the time for us technocrats
has still to come

Steve Terry
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"I would like to plead for my right to investigate natural phenomena
without having guns pointed at me.
I also ask for the right to be wrong without being hanged for it."
- Wilhelm Reich, November 1947

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 20:06:07 +0100, "Steve Terry"
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode..._the_Engineer/


Still waiting for HG Wells "shape of things to come" to come true

The military and bureaucrats still rule, the time for us technocrats
has still to come

Don't hold your breath. The problem for the technocrats is that they
provide tools for other people to use. They empower the military,
bureaucrats and ordinary people.


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

On 28/09/2010 16:54, pete wrote:
How about architect? A proper architect does a long (7 year?)
degree + qualification course. Yet any computer kiddie with
a flip-chart and a book of jargon calls themselves a systems
architect.
Same with me. Officially I consult with companies - that makes
me a consultant. However, say that in a hospital and feathers
would fly. In most of industry I'm known as a contractor, but
they're also the people with muddy boots (c.f. me in a suit+tie)
who dig up the roads.

I think the only real solution is to qualify the err, qualification
with "chartered" or somesuch, to indicate a degree of professional
conduct and standards of work that a profession should offer.


Architects are usually tagged RIBA or some such. Those post-nominals
are controlled by law.

Are you going to make sure your next developers are MBCS?

Andy