How to share the cost of a multiswitch upgrade

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11023364/How...e%20costs%20of
%20a%20multiswitch%20upgrade.pdf

This is a draft of a document that I've finally been driven to prepare
because the situation described keeps cropping up, and I have to keep
trying to explain it. Thing is, logic isn't my strong point these
days. I fall asleep half way through. Anyone care to read through it
and see if there are any non sequiturs or just plain logical errors?

Bill

On Sep 17, 5:20*pm, "
wrote:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11023364/How...e%20costs%20of
%20a%20multiswitch%20upgrade.pdf

This is a draft of a document that I've finally been driven to prepare
because the situation described keeps cropping up, and I have to keep
trying to explain it. Thing is, logic isn't my strong point these
days. I fall asleep half way through. Anyone care to read through it
and see if there are any non sequiturs or just plain logical errors?

Bill

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11023364/How...%20upgrade.pdf

Try that. It split between lines for some reason.

Bill

" wrote in message
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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11023364/How...e%20costs%20of
%20a%20multiswitch%20upgrade.pdf

This is a draft of a document that I've finally been driven to prepare
because the situation described keeps cropping up, and I have to keep
trying to explain it. Thing is, logic isn't my strong point these
days. I fall asleep half way through. Anyone care to read through it
and see if there are any non sequiturs or just plain logical errors?

You're a sad case.


jamie.
--

In article
s.com, scribeth thus
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11023364/How...e%20costs%20of
%20a%20multiswitch%20upgrade.pdf

This is a draft of a document that I've finally been driven to prepare
because the situation described keeps cropping up, and I have to keep
trying to explain it. Thing is, logic isn't my strong point these
days. I fall asleep half way through. Anyone care to read through it
and see if there are any non sequiturs or just plain logical errors?

Bill

See your problem but thats waaay too complex for most to understand.

Seems to me a simpler way of arranging/administering this is in order
'tho can't think of quite how you'd do that in practice!..

What happens if a fault develops who pays the Yorkshire piper to
attend?..

Perhaps resident One should pay for the whole to be done and that is
then given over to the management co or organisation..

Thats not much help I know but....
--
Tony Sayer

This is a draft of a document that I've finally been driven to prepare
because the situation described keeps cropping up, and I have to keep
trying to explain it. Thing is, logic isn't my strong point these
days. I fall asleep half way through. Anyone care to read through it
and see if there are any non sequiturs or just plain logical errors?

Bill

Remember those locks for telephone dials? They didn't stop you dialling
out incidentally but that's not the issue here. How about re-engineering those
and fitting them to the unused switch outputs?
The notional owner of the locked ports retains the keys to avoid unauthorised connections.

Of course I am not being serious here, and in my opinion your idea would only work
with extremely anally retentive residents.

--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

On Sep 17, 5:49*pm, tony sayer wrote:
In article
s.com, scribeth thus

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11023364/How...e%20costs%20of
%20a%20multiswitch%20upgrade.pdf

This is a draft of a document that I've finally been driven to prepare
because the situation described keeps cropping up, and I have to keep
trying to explain it. Thing is, logic isn't my strong point these
days. I fall asleep half way through. Anyone care to read through it
and see if there are any non sequiturs or just plain logical errors?

Bill

See your problem but thats waaay too complex for most to understand.
I don't agree. We are talking here of active and retired teachers,
lawyers, and other professionals. This would present no difficulty.


Seems to me a simpler way of arranging/administering *this is in order
'tho can't think of quite how you'd do that in practice!..
Well then, shurrup!


What happens if a fault develops who pays the Yorkshire piper to
attend?..
That's a real problem. Possibly an agreement that the owners of the
feeds pay in proportion to their feeds. I don't know. It's complicated
because suppose the switch had never been replaced? Everyone would
then pay an equal share. But a new switch is going to be more reliable
than an old one, so there's a notional benefit from the switch
replacement even for those who just have one feed.

Bill

On Sep 17, 6:36*pm, Owain wrote:
On Sep 17, 5:20*pm, " *wrote:

This is a draft of a document that I've finally been driven to prepare
because the situation described keeps cropping up, and I have to keep
trying to explain it. Thing is, logic isn't my strong point these
days. I fall asleep half way through. Anyone care to read through it
and see if there are any non sequiturs or just plain logical errors?

How about:

The Residents Association pays for the new multiswitch out of common
funds. The flat wanting the 2nd feed pays for the 2nd feed to the flat
+ 10% of the multiswitch cost.

This sounds like a good idea. The percentage could be varied depending
on the total number of dfwellings potentially served.

Bill

Is this all over a multiswitch that costs ~£100?

I don't agree. We are talking here of active and retired teachers,
lawyers, and other professionals.

"it's not the £20 of course, it's the principle of the thing"?


Seems to me a simpler way of arranging/administering this is in order
'tho can't think of quite how you'd do that in practice!..
Well then, shurrup!

Would a simpler approach be to make it clear the RA or whoever must
decide how to share the cost but 2 options for them to consider a

a. the resident(s) who want a 2nd feed now contribute(s) the whole
cost of the multiswitch and other residents then reimburse them the
proper proportion (1/no of properties) as and when they take a second
feed; or

b. all residents contribute the proper proportion now on the basis
that the new switch adds value to the whole block, reduces the risk of
faults, and will reduce the cost as and when they want a 2nd feed.

Worth adding also that, whatever they decide, it is up to the RA to look
after issues such as ownership of the multiswitch?

And finally, a typical retired person's point of detail: in any event I
suggest you add somewhere that any other resident who wanted a second
feed would have also to pay the cost of installing the cable, outlets
etc. lest you get faced with "but your note implied I half of the amount
originally paid by Resident One".

--
Robin
PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com

On Sep 18, 1:04*pm, "Robin" wrote:
Is this all over a multiswitch that costs ~£100?

Probably £250 + including installation, earth bonding, etc.


I don't agree. We are talking here of active and retired teachers,
lawyers, and other professionals.

"it's not the £20 of course, it's the principle of the thing"?



Seems to me a simpler way of arranging/administering this is in order
'tho can't think of quite how you'd do that in practice!..
Well then, shurrup!

Would a simpler approach be to make it clear the RA or whoever must
decide how to share the cost but 2 options for them to consider a

a. * *the resident(s) who want a 2nd feed now contribute(s) the whole
cost of the multiswitch and other residents then reimburse them the
proper proportion (1/no of properties) as and when they take a second
feed; or
That's more or less the method in the document, isn't it?


b. * *all residents contribute the proper proportion now on the basis
that the new switch adds value to the whole block, reduces the risk of
faults, and will reduce the cost as and when they want a 2nd feed.
No, the point is that residents (many of whom don't even use satellite
and some of whom are still refusing to get a DTT box!) simply won't
contribute.


Worth adding also that, whatever they decide, it is up to the RA to look
after issues such as ownership of the multiswitch?

And finally, a typical retired person's point of detail: in any event I
suggest you add somewhere that any other resident who wanted a second
feed would have also to pay the cost of installing the cable, outlets
etc. lest you get faced with "but your note implied I half of the amount
originally paid by Resident One".
Actually that document was a first draft and I have now added
something about the cost of cables, etc, being the responsibility of
each resident.

Bill

On Sep 18, 3:37*pm, "
wrote:
On Sep 18, 1:04*pm, "Robin" wrote:

Is this all over a multiswitch that costs ~£100?

Probably £250 + including installation, earth bonding, etc.

I should have added that the example of a six dwelling block was
chosen for simplicity. More typically the blocks will have between 12
and 60 flats. Without some sort of co-ordination things can get messy
with the bigger blocks, because if you start adding an odd switch here
and there after a few years the head-end can end up a right old dog's
dinner.

Bill