Cable clips on stone wall

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 15:15:41 +0200, Ken wrote:

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 11:52:54 +0000 (UTC),
(Richard Tobin) wrote:

How do you attach cable clips to a stone wall? If I manage to hit the
nail hard enough to make any impact on the stone, it makes a hole so
big it falls right out.

Use glue.

http://jr-international.fr/pistol-22...m_english.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot-melt_adhesive

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Bricks must be hardest near the surface.

Yep, they are, so I was told by a builder.


Also the vertical mortar joints are often softer than the horizontal
ones.


That's interesting. I wonder why.

SteveT

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Jim K wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/300329169864

Ah yes, that's a bit better ta

I'm not very good with these computer things ;-)

Darren

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 20:16:16 +0100, Peter Scott wrote:

I use hammer-in cable tie bases, for example eBay 250694479160.

Also available from Toolstation, Screwfix, TLC etc. I have
Toolstation ones, they need a 9mm hole in sandstone. 9mm SDS drills
are not carried in any of the sheds I looked in...

Great thing is when you want to change the cable you just cut the cable
tie and use a new one around the new cable.

And being all plastic won't rust and fail like nails will. Only use
plastic, brass or stainless steel for fixings outside or in places
that may get even slightly damp.

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Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 20:16:16 +0100, Peter Scott wrote:

I use hammer-in cable tie bases, for example eBay 250694479160.

Great thing is when you want to change the cable you just cut the cable
tie and use a new one around the new cable.

And being all plastic won't rust and fail like nails will.

but use good quality black cable ties, otherwise UV will make them go
brittle and drop apart.

Drill to take a small rawlplug, use a black P-clip just big enough for
the cable (eg, 1/8", 3/16", 1/4"), use a small stainless screw (#6).
You can pick up the black P-clips & small packs of stainless #6 screws
on Ebay.

Fix to the vertical mortar points so the cable runs in the mortar line
(P-clip will offset the cable).

This way the cable can be replaced easily without ripping chunks out
of the wall with nails. Done carefully it can be very neat - P-clips
allow adjustment to avoid festooning (dip-dip-dip).

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js.b1 wrote:

Fix to the vertical mortar points so the cable runs in the mortar line

Your stone walls must be fancier than mine.

- Richard

harry wrote:
On 11 Sep, 19:29, "alexander.keys1" wrote:
On 11 Sep, 12:52, (Richard Tobin) wrote:

How do you attach cable clips to a stone wall? If I manage to hit
the nail hard enough to make any impact on the stone, it makes a
hole so big it falls right out.

-- Richard

ISTR the proper way to lay small cables, that normally have nailed
clips, on hard walls, is to first screw a strip of wood to the wall,
and nail to that. Or you could fit a length of conduit, you won't
need bends or conduit boxes for sheathed cable, just straight
lengths to provide support and protection where necessary.

You can drill a hole and fit the smallest plastic plugs. They will
hold a nail.

Reply to [email protected] through harry as I have killfiled google
posts to reduce spam.

alexander, simply nail into the black mortar/cement joints (using long
masonary nails as necessary) - the cable clip fixings will not be equally
spaced, but better that than damage the stone work.

This by the way, is the normal practice for me (and I nail into the cement
joints on brickwork too), but others may differ.

Cash

On 11/09/2010 20:34, Ken wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 15:15:41 +0200, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 11:52:54 +0000 (UTC),
(Richard Tobin) wrote:

How do you attach cable clips to a stone wall? If I manage to hit the
nail hard enough to make any impact on the stone, it makes a hole so
big it falls right out.

Use glue.

http://jr-international.fr/pistol-22...m_english.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot-melt_adhesive


That probably won't stand temperature and condensation.

How about Gorilla Glue?
http://www.gorillaglue.com/glues/gorillaglue/index.aspx

--
Adrian C

On Sep 11, 9:26*pm, (Richard Tobin) wrote:
In article ,
js.b1 wrote:
Fix to the vertical mortar points so the cable runs in the mortar line

Your stone walls must be fancier than mine.

Or whatever line you want :-)

My point being the P-clip will offset the cable from the screw line,
so if you screw it into a horizontal mortar line the cable may appear
to increase the thickness of the mortar line and so make the cable
more obvious. It is however better than nail clips which tend to
corrode & blow out taking a pyramid of mortar, just fall out, or
generally not go in in the first place.