TOT various grouses

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Steve Terry wrote:
"J G Miller" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 22:42:10 +0100, Steve Terry wrote:

But Yorkshire has become West West Pakistan.

How so? Considering the Metropolitan County of West Yorkshire where
Pakistani communities are concentrated, according to Wikipedia

88.6% White
8.7% South Asian

So having less than 10% of the population being South Asian,
makes it West West Pakistan?

Which can't count illegal's.

Even if it's only 1 in 12, that's more than most places in the world.

Perhaps they chose that area over all others in the UK as it's more easy
to compete with the locals for jobs, etc?


More likely that back in FloodPlainLand they've heard of Yoorksheer,
cos uncle Ali moved their a few years ago and didn't move to somewhere
they've not heard of like Somerset.

Steve Terry
--
"I would like to plead for my right to investigate natural phenomena
without having guns pointed at me.
I also ask for the right to be wrong without being hanged for it."
- Wilhelm Reich, November 1947

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Steve Terry"
saying something like:

bleedin' Romanians

(I suspect many came here?)

And Ireland - soft touch that it was, for ages. Thankfully, the scales
have fallen from the eyes of some of those in charge and many of the
aggressive beggars have been kicked out back to Romania.
The antics of the Roma beggars and fly-by-night-scumbags ****es off
other Romanians, because they don't like to be lumped together in the
minds of other Europeans. There are plenty of decent ordinary
hard-working Romanians spread throughout Europe.

In article ,
Steve Terry wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Steve Terry wrote:
"J G Miller" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 22:42:10 +0100, Steve Terry wrote:

But Yorkshire has become West West Pakistan.

How so? Considering the Metropolitan County of West Yorkshire where
Pakistani communities are concentrated, according to Wikipedia

88.6% White
8.7% South Asian

So having less than 10% of the population being South Asian,
makes it West West Pakistan?

Which can't count illegal's.

Even if it's only 1 in 12, that's more than most places in the world.

Perhaps they chose that area over all others in the UK as it's more
easy to compete with the locals for jobs, etc?


More likely that back in FloodPlainLand they've heard of Yoorksheer,
cos uncle Ali moved their a few years ago and didn't move to somewhere
they've not heard of like Somerset.

Right. So even the locals can't wait to leave?

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On Aug 21, 10:21 am, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Steve Terry
Personally I can't say I have that much interest in seeing these
tediously predictable, often ignorant, biased, and repetitive TOT
threads keep spawning. They do seem to me to make bothering to sub to
the group lose its real point. Why waste time on a group filling up
with bilge when there are many other more constructive things to do
with life?

You're being a bit hypocritical because you nearly always weigh in with
your own opinions. You really can't keep complaining about OT postings
when you enthusiastically join in the ensuing discussion.

As on a previous occasion the distinction between *spawning* (i.e.
starting) threads such threads and sometimes commenting on them is absent
from what you say above.

And note your own interjected judgements stated as if 'fact' when adding
words like "enthusiastically" when you read what I add below.



A *few* OT/TOT threads - particularly if well informed, *not*
repetitive, *not* boring, and well written are one thing. A stream of
similarly boring 'political' sic ones, IMHO are something else. Sign
of a group that may end up driving away *on* topic postings. And
prompt personal arguments and abuse at some point unless care is taken.
This group has been very polite recently.

Yes. I've seen similar patterns in other groups over the years. It is quite
possible for the bulk of postings and contributors to remain polite and
avoid being drawn into bickering when there are a small number of political
threads. But that does tend to break down if the same boring old chestnuts
of the kind that keep appearing here persist and grow.

However I know quite well that everyone gets to make their own choices on
this. It is just that I would regret this group descending into personal
abuse, tedious and vacuous repetitions, and those with a genuine interest
in digital tv just giving up on the group as a waste of time. Hence my
posting.

So, no, I am far from "enthusiastic" about the comments I have added
to 'political' threads you and others have (repeatedly) spawned here.
I'd prefer that such topics went to *political* newsgroups. Alas,
you and some others do seem yourselves to have "enthusiastically"
started a number of political threads here. That does seem to me a
sign that you want to air your political views. If so, fair enough,
that's what the political groups are for.

FWIW Over the years I've noticed that some people do tend to prefer
to give their 'political' views on non-political groups and wonder
if this is because they wish to avoid the critical scrutiny that
posting on an *appropriate* group might attract. Sometimes this does
seem to be trolling - i.e. wish to be the center of attention and
disrupt. On other occasions it seems to be a drift from simply making
an occasional OT comment into making more and more similar ones as if
unable to accept that their views isn't simply accepted because they
are a 'big fish in a small pool'.

My own impression has been that you have started a number of 'OT'
threads as a way to 'liven up' the group or 'entertain'. If so,
that's fair enough. But I clearly can't know your real motives and
can only speculate on that. For me the concern arises when I start
to see a number of similar 'OT' threads started by the same person(s)
in a small timescale. This is because, whatever the motivation, the
outcome may tend to be as I have described.

The problem here is that a pinch of salt may improve the taste
and be beneficial. But just a little more salt may make the result
inedible or even harmful.

If so, I'd regret that as this has been, and generally - so far -
continues to be, a polite and constructive group. So I think it would
be a shame if lack of care by OT posters spoiled that without their
intending that outcome.

Hence my comments in threads *others* have started, and where I
decided to add 2p worth of my own. Like yourself and others I am
free to comment as I choose - even when OT. But I'd prefer to
not have so many OT threads *started* - particularly when they drag
up the same few actual topics.

Slainte,

Jim

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"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Steve Terry"
saying something like:

bleedin' Romanians

(I suspect many came here?)

And Ireland - soft touch that it was, for ages. Thankfully, the scales
have fallen from the eyes of some of those in charge and many of the
aggressive beggars have been kicked out back to Romania.
The antics of the Roma beggars and fly-by-night-scumbags ****es off
other Romanians, because they don't like to be lumped together in the
minds of other Europeans. There are plenty of decent ordinary
hard-working Romanians spread throughout Europe.


I'm sure there are, as there must be decent Irish.

Unfortunately since the Irish Gov passed a law making Irish travellers
pay their taxes or they wouldn't educate their children, many have come
here. Why our Gov can't simply pass identical laws to those that
other Govs pass encouraging migration, i don't know.

Steve Terry
--
"I would like to plead for my right to investigate natural phenomena
without having guns pointed at me.
I also ask for the right to be wrong without being hanged for it."
- Wilhelm Reich, November 1947

On Aug 22, 7:15*pm, "Steve Terry" wrote:
"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
Unfortunately since the Irish Gov passed a law making Irish travellers
pay their taxes or they wouldn't educate their children, many have come
here. Why our Gov can't simply pass identical laws to those that
other Govs pass encouraging migration, i don't know.

Yes, and here's another thing. Some stupid woman in the Times the
other day (Camelia something?) explained to us that the main reason
the UK population is due to rise dramatically is that the immigrants
have more children than the indiginous people (as if we didn't know
that -- you only have to use your eyes). Anyway, her solution was that
we should all be limited by law to two children. So because the
immigrants have come in in droves and threaten to outnumber us she's
saying that the rest of us should be penalised if we have three kids!
How outrageous is that! Stupid cow. What they should do is say the the
immigrant families, "If you have more than two kids we'll send the
whole bloody lot of you (mother, kids, and father if there is one)
back to wherever you came from."

Bill

" wrote in message
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On Aug 22, 7:15 pm, "Steve Terry" wrote:
"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
Unfortunately since the Irish Gov passed a law making Irish travellers
pay their taxes or they wouldn't educate their children, many have come
here. Why our Gov can't simply pass identical laws to those that
other Govs pass encouraging migration, i don't know.

Yes, and here's another thing. Some stupid woman in the Times the
other day (Camelia something?) explained to us that the main reason
the UK population is due to rise dramatically is that the immigrants
have more children than the indiginous people (as if we didn't know
that -- you only have to use your eyes). Anyway, her solution was that
we should all be limited by law to two children. So because the
immigrants have come in in droves and threaten to outnumber us she's
saying that the rest of us should be penalised if we have three kids!
How outrageous is that! Stupid cow. What they should do is say the the
immigrant families, "If you have more than two kids we'll send the
whole bloody lot of you (mother, kids, and father if there is one)
back to wherever you came from."
Bill


You think the EU and European courts would let any UK Gov to that?
and those from outside the EU would simply scream asylum

e.g. A couple of years ago i met a young Iranian guy staying long term
at the YMCA at the local council taxpayers expense.
He'd claimed that being a Christian he would be persecuted back
in Iran so got asylum here.
I wonder if the Iranian Gov realise they have far more Christians
in their country than their official figures imply?

Steve Terry
--
"I would like to plead for my right to investigate natural phenomena
without having guns pointed at me.
I also ask for the right to be wrong without being hanged for it."
- Wilhelm Reich, November 1947

" wrote:

...
derogatory way, must think the word is going mad. There again, some
homosexuals have taken up the use of the word 'queer.' But thinking
on, they've been happy with the word 'queen' for donkey's years and I
suppose that started off as a derogatory term. Maybe this is merely
about the evolution of language. Hmm...

And don't you hate the way that words get appropriated by various groups
to change their meaning.

Take "gay", a perfectly good word for homosexuals, male of female, which
has now been seized by teenage males to describe anything stupid or
unfortunate. e.g.: "Man, these seats are gay -- I can't even see what's
going on."

What is the world coming to?

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article
,
wrote:
On Aug 21, 10:21 am, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Steve Terry
Personally I can't say I have that much interest in seeing these
tediously predictable, often ignorant, biased, and repetitive TOT
threads keep spawning. They do seem to me to make bothering to sub to
the group lose its real point. Why waste time on a group filling up
with bilge when there are many other more constructive things to do
with life?

You're being a bit hypocritical because you nearly always weigh in with
your own opinions. You really can't keep complaining about OT postings
when you enthusiastically join in the ensuing discussion.

As on a previous occasion the distinction between *spawning* (i.e.
starting) threads such threads and sometimes commenting on them is absent
from what you say above.

And note your own interjected judgements stated as if 'fact' when adding
words like "enthusiastically" when you read what I add below.



A *few* OT/TOT threads - particularly if well informed, *not*
repetitive, *not* boring, and well written are one thing. A stream of
similarly boring 'political' sic ones, IMHO are something else. Sign
of a group that may end up driving away *on* topic postings. And
prompt personal arguments and abuse at some point unless care is
taken.
This group has been very polite recently.

Yes. I've seen similar patterns in other groups over the years. It is
quite
possible for the bulk of postings and contributors to remain polite and
avoid being drawn into bickering when there are a small number of
political
threads. But that does tend to break down if the same boring old chestnuts
of the kind that keep appearing here persist and grow.

However I know quite well that everyone gets to make their own choices on
this. It is just that I would regret this group descending into personal
abuse, tedious and vacuous repetitions, and those with a genuine interest
in digital tv just giving up on the group as a waste of time. Hence my
posting.

So, no, I am far from "enthusiastic" about the comments I have added
to 'political' threads you and others have (repeatedly) spawned here.
I'd prefer that such topics went to *political* newsgroups. Alas,
you and some others do seem yourselves to have "enthusiastically"
started a number of political threads here. That does seem to me a
sign that you want to air your political views. If so, fair enough,
that's what the political groups are for.

FWIW Over the years I've noticed that some people do tend to prefer
to give their 'political' views on non-political groups and wonder
if this is because they wish to avoid the critical scrutiny that
posting on an *appropriate* group might attract. Sometimes this does
seem to be trolling - i.e. wish to be the center of attention and
disrupt. On other occasions it seems to be a drift from simply making
an occasional OT comment into making more and more similar ones as if
unable to accept that their views isn't simply accepted because they
are a 'big fish in a small pool'.

My own impression has been that you have started a number of 'OT'
threads as a way to 'liven up' the group or 'entertain'. If so,
that's fair enough. But I clearly can't know your real motives and
can only speculate on that. For me the concern arises when I start
to see a number of similar 'OT' threads started by the same person(s)
in a small timescale. This is because, whatever the motivation, the
outcome may tend to be as I have described.

The problem here is that a pinch of salt may improve the taste
and be beneficial. But just a little more salt may make the result
inedible or even harmful.

If so, I'd regret that as this has been, and generally - so far -
continues to be, a polite and constructive group. So I think it would
be a shame if lack of care by OT posters spoiled that without their
intending that outcome.

Hence my comments in threads *others* have started, and where I
decided to add 2p worth of my own. Like yourself and others I am
free to comment as I choose - even when OT. But I'd prefer to
not have so many OT threads *started* - particularly when they drag
up the same few actual topics.

Slainte,

Jim


Jim, you should be a psychologist - your assessment of his character is
masterful.
Having said that of course he clearly thrives on all the attention he gets,
and will enjoy your contribution

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Dave Farrance
saying something like:

Take "gay", a perfectly good word for homosexuals, male of female,

It was also a perfectly good word for floral happiness.