TOT music in pubs

In article , Bob Latham
wrote:
In article , Jim Lesurf
wrote:

Alas, even 'hi fi' mags and forums these days largely tend to
concentrate on commercially recorded 'pop and rock' music not
classical/acoustic music. making it difficult to decide in many cases
what on earth an 'original sound' in natural terms might have been.

If someone asked me to decide between two hi-fi items using classical
music (which I have a great deal of) I wouldn't even bother to turn up
as I know I couldn't do it.

Thats fine if you aren't working as a 'reviewer' in a magzine trying to
tell people about the capability of equipment. Your choices are your
business if you aren't giving your conclusions to anyone else whose tastes,
hearing, etc, may differ from yours.

Also fine if you are just deciding to stay within your own 'comfort
zone' of familiarity as being the best place for making your own
personal decisions. However professional reviews aren't just for
the sake of the reviewer - or at least should not be so limited.

Yes, I know, nothing original to compare with etc. but I don't need to
hear the original to decide which of two versions I prefer. I'm not
trying to decide which is closest to the original I'm deciding which I
will enjoy - not necessarily the technical best.

Again, fine for you as an individual if it suits you.

Honestly for me /most/ classical is so 'mid range' and undemanding I
wouldn't bother. What is more, even though it wouldn't be probably
wouldn't be admitted, the vast majority of people would be same I
suspect.

Surprised that you think items by composers as diverse as Prokofiev, PMD,
Bach, Messiaen, Neilsen, Part, and all kinds of others, or all kinds of
totally different sounding things on a wide range of instruments are all
'mid range', from Britten's "Prince of the Pagodas" to early music on
Crumhorns.[1] But again, your personal preferences and limitations are your
business I accept.

Similarly, I find a lot of pop and rock pretty 'mid range' as well, so
regard *only* using pop and rock as pretty poor as a way of judging what
equipment can do. Why only use a hammer when there are other tools in the
toolkit? But if you like to use a hammer for every job, that's you choice.
fair enough. :-)

Personally, I find classical acoustic music useful for assessing things
like depth in imaging and how faithfully it reproduces 'solidity' of
acoustics and the hall sound. And massed strings useful for detecting
things like crossover suckout in speakers or the presence of other
notches or peaks in the spatial patterns of speakers. If you don't,
or don't care, fine for you. But so far as I know none of the commercial
magazines are aimed *only* at one of the two of us!

Slainte,

[1] BTW I also regard a lot of Indian/Japanese/etc music 'classical'
and think it should also be used some of the time. A wider toolkit
and catering for a wider range of experience seems preferrable to
me. May also help people to discover things they didn't know they
would enjoy. But that is another issue, I guess... :-)

Jim

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"bugbear" wrote in message
news
wrote:
I largely agree with the views expressed in the various posts,
but I'm
not quite so cynical about the public's understanding of
decent audio.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardia...e-trees-greeks

Highlight: "94% of DAB listeners thought DAB sound quality was
at least as good as FM;"

BugBear



What a load of blx.

In this country the highest we go is 192Kb but in other parts of
Europe they do 256Kb and even 320Kb. Take a radio designed for
the UK market abroad and see what it sounds like - if it sounds
at all.

Bill was Ok with his Woodstock in the van because that is German
made and set up for the widest market, hence it would be quite
happy with the higher bit rates if he ever got an aerial job in,
say, Germany!


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Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

In article , bugbear
scribeth thus
wrote:
I largely agree with the views expressed in the various posts, but I'm
not quite so cynical about the public's understanding of decent audio.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardia...e-trees-greeks

Highlight: "94% of DAB listeners thought DAB sound quality was at least as good
as FM;"

BugBear

Source please Ofcom;!..
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Tony Sayer

I'm quite happy to accept that I would not be suitable to offer much
advice regarding a product for classical listening. However, it would be
IMHO no worse than me buying a product based on your classical evaluation
of a product. For example, you use ESL63s I believe. I am aware of their
merits and I appreciate their clever design. Never the less, they would be
totally unsuitable for me, something would go bang in a week and the last
time I heard a pair I was expecting a sound on the thin side with no deep
bass, not a bit of it. What I heard shocked me as it was the top end that
I found difficulty with - I didn't think there was any.

Its about one of the flattest speakers around and yes there is top as
well as very other audible frequency..

Do you mean they were "lacking in top"?...
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Tony Sayer

In article , Java Jive
scribeth thus
I couldn't agree less. Of course it depends on the bar. I've served
in the Union bar at Uni, and a relatively quiet rural pub in Glos, and
I was cellarman for a summer at the Fort St George in Cambridge. I
enjoyed them all.

Couldn't do it now though - short term memory not good enough.


Pub, many years ago I used to go to in Sarff Lunnon that served young's
ales and there was a barman there who got really stroppy of you didn't
give him the whole order in one go .. he could remember somewhere
around 15 drinks;!..
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Tony Sayer

In article
s.com, scribeth thus
On Jun 30, 12:49*pm, Mark Carver wrote:
On 30/06/2010 10:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Quite wrong. It's there to keep the staff happy. After all, bar work is
about the most boring job ever.

It can't be. It involves continuous contact with the public, which can
often be unpleasant, but far from boring.

Sticking on wheel nuts at a car factory, now that must be in the top ten
most boring jobs ?

A few weeks ago I needed a cable clipping along a wall. The sections
added up to 250m. I couldn't con anyone into doing it so I thought,
"Oh, the sun's shining, and the job will make a change. I'll do it
myself."
Armed with Radio 4 via headphones I confidently set off. It was a very
hot day and the surface on which I had to stand was silver coloured,
so it was like being grilled. There wasn't a breath of wind. Radio 4
was a bit boring. I started to sweat horribly. The mortar was hard and
it was taking six bashes to get each clip in. After about 500 bashes,
when I was a tenth of the way through the job, my elbow started to
play up. And I started to get very very bored.

Bill

Never mind that!, how high was this and if it was more then a metre
where was your safety harness and rails to stop you a fallin;!...
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Tony Sayer

"Pikey Gob****e turned ordiofiyul" wrote in message
...

I hope you realise that we aren’t just being clever.

Yes I'm sure they realised that you weren't very clever about two lines into it.

Seriously Bill, you should leave these gypsy-type holidays behind, travel the
world some more, and stimulate your half-brain a bit - that way you'd avoid such
badly-run slumholes, discovering far more interesting things to think about than
other people's trashy sound systems in the process.



jamie.
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On Jun 30, 5:45*pm, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Bob Latham

[1] BTW I also regard a lot of Indian/Japanese/etc music 'classical'
and think it should also be used some of the time.
That sort of music has built in wow and flutter!

Bill

On 30/06/2010 22:07, Bob Latham wrote:
In ,
tony wrote:
I'm quite happy to accept that I would not be suitable to offer much
advice regarding a product for classical listening. However, it would
be IMHO no worse than me buying a product based on your classical
evaluation of a product. For example, you use ESL63s I believe. I am
aware of their merits and I appreciate their clever design. Never the
less, they would be totally unsuitable for me, something would go bang
in a week and the last time I heard a pair I was expecting a sound on
the thin side with no deep bass, not a bit of it. What I heard shocked
me as it was the top end that I found difficulty with - I didn't think
there was any.

Its about one of the flattest speakers around and yes there is top as
well as very other audible frequency..

Do you mean they were "lacking in top"?...

That was my perception.


You have to sit bang on axis to get treble - then they sound just about
right IMO.

Rob

In article , Bob Latham [email protected]
of-spam.invalid scribeth thus
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
I'm quite happy to accept that I would not be suitable to offer much
advice regarding a product for classical listening. However, it would
be IMHO no worse than me buying a product based on your classical
evaluation of a product. For example, you use ESL63s I believe. I am
aware of their merits and I appreciate their clever design. Never the
less, they would be totally unsuitable for me, something would go bang
in a week and the last time I heard a pair I was expecting a sound on
the thin side with no deep bass, not a bit of it. What I heard shocked
me as it was the top end that I found difficulty with - I didn't think
there was any.

Its about one of the flattest speakers around and yes there is top as
well as very other audible frequency..

Do you mean they were "lacking in top"?...

That was my perception.

Bob.


With all due respect then..

Either the ESL 63's were faulty...

Or

Is your hearing all that it might be ?, had it checked in recent
times?..
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Tony Sayer