TOT music in pubs

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Hello there,

We greatly enjoyed our stay last week. We liked everything about the
place except just one thing, and that was the music system in the pub.
There’s something wrong with it. The bass just thuds relentlessly, and
it is very annoying. It’s like trying to have a quiet pint near a
large noisy machine. This is not what we expect from a grown-up
country pub. In the front room the midrange and top are more-or-less
inaudible, but the bass is there thudding away. Certain frequencies
hit the resonance of the two connected rooms and that sounds awful.
I’m guessing that you have a bass box or something that’s wrongly set
up. Those things are only supposed to take over at frequencies below
those that the normal speakers can handle, but yours seems to be
reproducing the higher bass notes, and at greatly exaggerated volume.
If my guess is right you need to adjust it to ignore everything above
about 125Hz, and by turning it down. Better still, remove it
completely. Music in pubs (if we have to have it at all) should be
background, but the bass in your pub dominates the place. Perhaps you
should try to contain the music in the back room, by positioning the
speakers in the back room to face away from the front room, and by
removing the bass, which can’t really be contained if the two rooms
are linked, as they have to be. Your front room, after all, is for
eating, relaxing, and chatting. The atmosphere’s wrong with that boom
boom boom going on.

Incidentally it was also pretty strange when the TV sound and the
music were on at the same time. It was a terrible racket, what with
the vevuselas and all!

I hope you realise that we aren’t just being clever. By taking the
trouble to write this email we sincerely want to help you make your
pub and campsite even better. We’ll see you later in the year (if
you’ll have us!).

Cheers

Bill and Hil Wright
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Just sent:

Hello there,

We greatly enjoyed our stay last week. We liked everything about
the
place except just one thing, and that was the music system in the
pub.
There’s something wrong with it. The bass just thuds
relentlessly, and
it is very annoying. It’s like trying to have a quiet pint near a
large noisy machine. This is not what we expect from a grown-up
country pub. In the front room the midrange and top are
more-or-less
inaudible, but the bass is there thudding away. Certain
frequencies
hit the resonance of the two connected rooms and that sounds
awful.
I’m guessing that you have a bass box or something that’s wrongly
set
up. Those things are only supposed to take over at frequencies
below
those that the normal speakers can handle, but yours seems to be
reproducing the higher bass notes, and at greatly exaggerated
volume.
If my guess is right you need to adjust it to ignore everything
above
about 125Hz, and by turning it down. Better still, remove it
completely. Music in pubs (if we have to have it at all) should
be
background, but the bass in your pub dominates the place. Perhaps
you
should try to contain the music in the back room, by positioning
the
speakers in the back room to face away from the front room, and
by
removing the bass, which can’t really be contained if the two
rooms
are linked, as they have to be. Your front room, after all, is
for
eating, relaxing, and chatting. The atmosphere’s wrong with that
boom
boom boom going on.

Incidentally it was also pretty strange when the TV sound and the
music were on at the same time. It was a terrible racket, what
with
the vevuselas and all!

I hope you realise that we aren’t just being clever. By taking
the
trouble to write this email we sincerely want to help you make
your
pub and campsite even better. We’ll see you later in the year (if
you’ll have us!).

Cheers

Bill and Hil Wright
:


The trouble is Bill that in this country 'good' reproduced music
equals bass. Ever been into Halfords at a weekend?

I suspect that most people listening to reproduced music have
never been to a live concert - and specifically NOT a pop concert
but rather something like an orchestra, jazz, choral+organ, etc.

For the same reason continental (i.e. European) hi-fi doesn't
sell so well over here because they don't have the same
preoccupation with bass, rather with music as it sounds in
reality.


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

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Dear Bill,

You clearly missed the episode of "The Archers" where a waiter, attempting
to chat-up one of the younger regulars, gave the explanation for loud music
in pubs and clubs.

If it's quiet, people buy a pint and chat. If it's loud, they can't chat so
drink up and buy another pint.

This was not in "The Bull" I hasten to add.

Paul DS.

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Hello there,

We greatly enjoyed our stay last week. We liked everything about the
place except just one thing, and that was the music system in the pub.
Theres something wrong with it. The bass just thuds relentlessly,

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The trouble is Bill that in this country 'good' reproduced music equals
bass.

....and the assumption that "bass" means a booooming resonance at some
easily audible low frequency. Nice for makers as this is a cheap and easy
way to get 'loud bass'.

I suspect that most people listening to reproduced music have never
been to a live concert - and specifically NOT a pop concert but rather
something like an orchestra, jazz, choral+organ, etc.

Alas, even 'hi fi' mags and forums these days largely tend to concentrate
on commercially recorded 'pop and rock' music not classical/acoustic music.
making it difficult to decide in many cases what on earth an 'original
sound' in natural terms might have been. Almost like limiting judgements of
displays to looking at cartoons and computer-generated images.

Good luck with getting them to do anything about it. Most people who use
systems like this blythly assume it is what "people want" since most people
don't complain or even care. Those who do (like myself) simply don't go
into such places if we can avoid them as they are too nasty to endure.

Slainte,

Jim

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Dear Bill,

You clearly missed the episode of "The Archers" where a waiter,
attempting to chat-up one of the younger regulars, gave the explanation
for loud music in pubs and clubs.

If it's quiet, people buy a pint and chat. If it's loud, they can't
chat so drink up and buy another pint.

This was not in "The Bull" I hasten to add.

Paul DS.

Surely the whole point that Bill is trying to make is that musicians
record music to be played back in the same way, not to be misrepresent
ed by boosting the bass. I suspect that very amall proportion is
catually recorded with grossly exaggerated bass!

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Paul D Smith wrote:
You clearly missed the episode of "The Archers" where a waiter,
attempting to chat-up one of the younger regulars, gave the explanation
for loud music in pubs and clubs.

If it's quiet, people buy a pint and chat. If it's loud, they can't
chat so drink up and buy another pint.

Quite wrong. It's there to keep the staff happy. After all, bar work is
about the most boring job ever. A sort of Music While You Work.

--
*Real women don't have hot flashes, they have power surges.

Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Paul D Smith wrote:
You clearly missed the episode of "The Archers" where a waiter,
attempting to chat-up one of the younger regulars, gave the explanation
for loud music in pubs and clubs.

If it's quiet, people buy a pint and chat. If it's loud, they can't
chat so drink up and buy another pint.

Quite wrong. It's there to keep the staff happy. After all, bar work is
about the most boring job ever. A sort of Music While You Work.


Wrong Dave .. its to dull their brains into submission;!..
--
Tony Sayer

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Hello there,

We greatly enjoyed our stay last week. We liked everything about the
place except just one thing, and that was the music system in the pub.
There’s something wrong with it. The bass just thuds relentlessly, and
it is very annoying. It’s like trying to have a quiet pint near a
large noisy machine.

It's what the kids like.

--
Max Demian

On 30/06/2010 10:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Quite wrong. It's there to keep the staff happy. After all, bar work is
about the most boring job ever.

It can't be. It involves continuous contact with the public, which can
often be unpleasant, but far from boring.

Sticking on wheel nuts at a car factory, now that must be in the top ten
most boring jobs ?



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Mark
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On Jun 30, 10:28*am, "Dave Plowman (News)"
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* *Paul D Smith wrote:
Quite wrong. It's there to keep the staff happy. After all, bar work is
about the most boring job ever. A sort of Music While You Work.

There are far more boring jobs. At least with bar work you can smirk
at the drunken idiots you serve.

Bill