Transferring HD to DVD

This is probably going to seem a silly question, but I've just realised
there's quite a hole in my understanding of HD TV and DVDs.

At the moment I record SD Freeview and Freesat programmes on my two Humax
boxes. I can then transfer those files from the Hummys to my computer.

On my computer I use VideoRedo TV Suite
(http://www.videoredo.com/en/index.htm) to edit out the adverts and then
burn them to a DVD (or save them as a .mpg file for use with Windows Media
Player).

Now I'd like to do this with some HD recordings I've made using the Freesat
Hummy box.

There is an HD version of VRDTVS, which I haven't bought yet, but will. My
question is - what media can I save the edited HD file to? Does the DV
(+/-) R standard support HD video? If so, how would a traditional DVD
player cope with a "normal" DVD-R (or +R) that had an HD recording on it?

Or must I burn my edited HD recordings to a recordable Blueray disk?

If normal DVD-R disks won't support HD video, is there some way I can
convert the HD recording back to SD, so at least it can be watched on a
normal DVD player?

Thanks for any comments or advice.

SteveT

On Sun, 16 May 2010 17:24:55 +0100, "Steve Thackery"
wrote:

This is probably going to seem a silly question, but I've just realised
there's quite a hole in my understanding of HD TV and DVDs.

At the moment I record SD Freeview and Freesat programmes on my two Humax
boxes. I can then transfer those files from the Hummys to my computer.

On my computer I use VideoRedo TV Suite
(http://www.videoredo.com/en/index.htm) to edit out the adverts and then
burn them to a DVD (or save them as a .mpg file for use with Windows Media
Player).

Now I'd like to do this with some HD recordings I've made using the Freesat
Hummy box.

Have you managed to copy those recordings to your computer?

Some HD recordings in the Humax Freesat HD box "Media" list are marked
with the icon "Enc" meaning encoded, or more properly copy-protected.
The box will not copy those to an external storage device.

Also many HD recordings are greater than 4GB in size. They cannot be
copied to a USB stick (or HDD) that is formatted as FAT32. To copy one
of those large files to an external storage device the device must be
formatted as EXT2 or EXT3 (Linux formats). Your Windows computer will
then need special driver software to be able to read an EXT2/3 drive.

I haven't done this myself but there are people here who have.

There is an HD version of VRDTVS, which I haven't bought yet, but will. My
question is - what media can I save the edited HD file to? Does the DV
(+/-) R standard support HD video? If so, how would a traditional DVD
player cope with a "normal" DVD-R (or +R) that had an HD recording on it?

Or must I burn my edited HD recordings to a recordable Blueray disk?

If normal DVD-R disks won't support HD video, is there some way I can
convert the HD recording back to SD, so at least it can be watched on a
normal DVD player?

Thanks for any comments or advice.

SteveT

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On 16/05/2010 17:51, Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Sun, 16 May 2010 17:24:55 +0100, "Steve Thackery"
wrote:

This is probably going to seem a silly question, but I've just realised
there's quite a hole in my understanding of HD TV and DVDs.

At the moment I record SD Freeview and Freesat programmes on my two Humax
boxes. I can then transfer those files from the Hummys to my computer.

On my computer I use VideoRedo TV Suite
(http://www.videoredo.com/en/index.htm) to edit out the adverts and then
burn them to a DVD (or save them as a .mpg file for use with Windows Media
Player).

Now I'd like to do this with some HD recordings I've made using the Freesat
Hummy box.

Have you managed to copy those recordings to your computer?

Some HD recordings in the Humax Freesat HD box "Media" list are marked
with the icon "Enc" meaning encoded, or more properly copy-protected.
The box will not copy those to an external storage device.

Also many HD recordings are greater than 4GB in size. They cannot be
copied to a USB stick (or HDD) that is formatted as FAT32. To copy one
of those large files to an external storage device the device must be
formatted as EXT2 or EXT3 (Linux formats). Your Windows computer will
then need special driver software to be able to read an EXT2/3 drive.

I haven't done this myself but there are people here who have.

There is an HD version of VRDTVS, which I haven't bought yet, but will. My
question is - what media can I save the edited HD file to? Does the DV
(+/-) R standard support HD video? If so, how would a traditional DVD
player cope with a "normal" DVD-R (or +R) that had an HD recording on it?

Or must I burn my edited HD recordings to a recordable Blueray disk?

If normal DVD-R disks won't support HD video, is there some way I can
convert the HD recording back to SD, so at least it can be watched on a
normal DVD player?

Thanks for any comments or advice.

SteveT

XP, Vista and Windows7 now support exFAT which overcomes all the
problems of FAT32 without the overheads required for NTFS. XP drivers
are available from microsoft website.

exFAT is designed for external drives and USB memory sticks.

Glenn.

I see nobody has commented about the recordable media. I'm afraid that
normal media for dvd is not going to work. Of course, as you say I imagine
there is software to convert hd to sd and burn it to a standard dvd, but for
real hd, then you need the higher capacity of blue ray I'm afraid.


Brian

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"Glenn Millar" wrote in message
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On 16/05/2010 17:51, Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Sun, 16 May 2010 17:24:55 +0100, "Steve Thackery"
wrote:

This is probably going to seem a silly question, but I've just realised
there's quite a hole in my understanding of HD TV and DVDs.

At the moment I record SD Freeview and Freesat programmes on my two
Humax
boxes. I can then transfer those files from the Hummys to my computer.

On my computer I use VideoRedo TV Suite
(http://www.videoredo.com/en/index.htm) to edit out the adverts and then
burn them to a DVD (or save them as a .mpg file for use with Windows
Media
Player).

Now I'd like to do this with some HD recordings I've made using the
Freesat
Hummy box.

Have you managed to copy those recordings to your computer?

Some HD recordings in the Humax Freesat HD box "Media" list are marked
with the icon "Enc" meaning encoded, or more properly copy-protected.
The box will not copy those to an external storage device.

Also many HD recordings are greater than 4GB in size. They cannot be
copied to a USB stick (or HDD) that is formatted as FAT32. To copy one
of those large files to an external storage device the device must be
formatted as EXT2 or EXT3 (Linux formats). Your Windows computer will
then need special driver software to be able to read an EXT2/3 drive.

I haven't done this myself but there are people here who have.

There is an HD version of VRDTVS, which I haven't bought yet, but will.
My
question is - what media can I save the edited HD file to? Does the DV
(+/-) R standard support HD video? If so, how would a traditional DVD
player cope with a "normal" DVD-R (or +R) that had an HD recording on
it?

Or must I burn my edited HD recordings to a recordable Blueray disk?

If normal DVD-R disks won't support HD video, is there some way I can
convert the HD recording back to SD, so at least it can be watched on a
normal DVD player?

Thanks for any comments or advice.

SteveT

XP, Vista and Windows7 now support exFAT which overcomes all the problems
of FAT32 without the overheads required for NTFS. XP drivers are available
from microsoft website.

exFAT is designed for external drives and USB memory sticks.

Glenn.

Brian Gaff wrote:

I see nobody has commented about the recordable media. I'm afraid that
normal media for dvd is not going to work.

There is AVCHD, which is more or less blu-ray logical structure on DVD
physical media. You'd only get 10-15 minutes of HD video and playback
support is patchy.

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...
I see nobody has commented about the recordable media. I'm afraid that
normal media for dvd is not going to work. Of course, as you say I imagine
there is software to convert hd to sd and burn it to a standard dvd, but
for real hd, then you need the higher capacity of blue ray I'm afraid.





there's nothing to stop you from storing a HD file you've somehow got onto
your pc onto a dvd as a data file - it's just playing it back on anything
other than a pc that might give you problems.



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"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
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Have you managed to copy those recordings to your computer?

Actually it's a total nightmare. The Hummy will only support external hard
drives with FAT32 or EXT3 file systems. FAT32 won't cope with the 4GB file
sizes common in HD recordings, so that leaves EXT3.

There is no EXT3 driver available for Windows 7 (which is what I'm using) -
although I am in touch with the author of the EXT2/3 driver which runs on
earlier versions of Windows, and he is working on a driver for W7.

So, I'm running Ubuntu in a virtual machine, and that will read the EXT3
hard disk and transfer the files (using the shared folder feature) to my
Windows 7 file system.

Despite all the work which has been done on Linux, I still find it very
difficult to learn - even Ubuntu. It seems necessary to use the command
line for all sorts of things, including changing file ownerships.

Anyway, that's how I'm getting the files across to my PC.

Thanks for your interest in this, Peter.

SteveT

wrote in message ...
On 16 May,
Peter Duncanson wrote:

Some HD recordings in the Humax Freesat HD box "Media" list are marked
with the icon "Enc" meaning encoded, or more properly copy-protected.
The box will not copy those to an external storage device.

They will "copy" for backup purposes, but are only re-playable on the
machine
they were recorded on.

Thanks, Peter and BD. I hadn't realised what that 'Enc' icon meant, and it
is very pertinent to what I'm trying to do, of course.

Much appreciate you pointing this out.

SteveT

"Glenn Millar" wrote in message
...

XP, Vista and Windows7 now support exFAT which overcomes all the problems
of FAT32 without the overheads required for NTFS. XP drivers are available
from microsoft website.

Many thanks, Glenn. I've mentioned in another post that the only file
systems supported by the Hummy are FAT32 and EXT3. But I have got an
external hard drive formatted in EXT3. It's just a nightmare reading it
using Windows 7.

SteveT

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...

I see nobody has commented about the recordable media. I'm afraid that
normal media for dvd is not going to work. Of course, as you say I imagine
there is software to convert hd to sd and burn it to a standard dvd, but
for real hd, then you need the higher capacity of blue ray I'm afraid.

Thanks, Brian. That gets to the crux of the issue, of course. So, the rule
seems to be that I can't put an HD video stream onto a DVD and play it like
a normal DVD.

If I'm going to burn these recordings to a disk I can put in my normal
domestic DVD/Blueray player, then I need a Blueray authoring tool, a Blueray
writer, and blank Blueray media.

Have I understood that correctly?

I will pursue this possibility of converting from HD to SD, which would then
let me burn to DVD.

Thanks for your input.

SteveT