OFCOM or whoever is to blame waste public money

In Sheffield we now have the BBC mux on ch63. In most areas it is 12
or 13dB above the ch60 mux. There are hundreds of communal systems
originally designed for Group A only, so in order to get Gp B and CD
muxes through them the muxes are launched at high levels, typically
only 5 to 7dB below the Gp A analogues. These old systems are often
working flat out, with excessive signal loss on cable due to age. The
head end amps are operating near the limit, so the new mux causes
cross mod, which gives the analogue channels a spotty effect and
affects the BER on the other muxes. So we have to fit filters to even
everything up, and before you know where you are the job has cost the
taxpayer or residents two or three hundred quid. Multiply that by a
few hundred systems! All this is to accommodate a fudge -- the ch39
mux had to move to allow the absurd temporary HD mux from Emley, and
at the last minute someone realised it wouldn't have the reach of
ch39, so they upped the power rather a lot. It just shows that they'll
use brute power when they're running scared. Oh, and ******** to the
analogue viewers on the S Yorks relays that use ch63. They are all
wondering why they only have three channels instead of four.

They do these things without a thought for the trouble and expense
they cause. Of course they were **** scared that Sheffield would have
reception problems in the lead up to the election, what with there
being a marginal constituency.

Bill

" wrote in
message
...
In Sheffield we now have the BBC mux on ch63. In most areas it
is 12
or 13dB above the ch60 mux. There are hundreds of communal
systems
originally designed for Group A only, so in order to get Gp B
and CD
muxes through them the muxes are launched at high levels,
typically
only 5 to 7dB below the Gp A analogues. These old systems are
often
working flat out, with excessive signal loss on cable due to
age. The
head end amps are operating near the limit, so the new mux
causes
cross mod, which gives the analogue channels a spotty effect
and
affects the BER on the other muxes. So we have to fit filters
to even
everything up, and before you know where you are the job has
cost the
taxpayer or residents two or three hundred quid. Multiply that
by a
few hundred systems! All this is to accommodate a fudge -- the
ch39
mux had to move to allow the absurd temporary HD mux from
Emley, and
at the last minute someone realised it wouldn't have the reach
of
ch39, so they upped the power rather a lot. It just shows that
they'll
use brute power when they're running scared. Oh, and ********
to the
analogue viewers on the S Yorks relays that use ch63. They are
all
wondering why they only have three channels instead of four.

They do these things without a thought for the trouble and
expense
they cause. Of course they were **** scared that Sheffield
would have
reception problems in the lead up to the election, what with
there
being a marginal constituency.

Bill




I know it doesn't help now, but at DSO Sheffield/Chesterfield
become main sites in their own right rather than slaves off
Emley. Just to make things worse this means both will radiate six
muxes rather than the three of most relays.

At this instant I'm not sure of the dates, but it is certainly
before Emley gets DSO in September next year.



--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

Woody wrote:

I know it doesn't help now, but at DSO Sheffield/Chesterfield
become main sites in their own right rather than slaves off
Emley. Just to make things worse this means both will radiate six
muxes rather than the three of most relays.

Although Sheffield and Chesterfield have been like that for ITV analogue for
the last 20 years or so, because of the legacy of Yorkshire TV's 'South Yorks'
news sub-region. Both sites have also always carried six muxes since the start
of DTT in 1998, so I don't see how that can lead to (extra) confusion ?

At this instant I'm not sure of the dates, but it is certainly
before Emley gets DSO in September next year.

Yes, there used to be more accurate dates I'm sure, but now the DUK website
just says '2011'

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/when_do_i_switch/yorkshire


--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk

I think Offcom have some dodgy folk making decisions generally, in the
technical sense.

Take the small Jewish medium wave station in Leeds, passed by offcom
recently, after being installed by some cowboy.

It basically is built next to an old peoples home, Its aerial is a scaffold
pole, guyed up resting on, wait for it, a wine bottle as an insulator.

The swr was so bad the engineer got a burn off the earth connection in the
plastic shed holding the transmitter. The old peoples home is having
serious problems with auto dorr mechanisms, emergency call chords, and the
TV system due to the close proximity, and poor earthing of the
installation. This has been passed by Offcom.

I only know this from a third party, but it kind of gells in with my
experiences of their interference finders who get sent out with duff
equipment etc.

Sigh.
We have obviously lost the expertise to know hat the heck is going on!

Brian

--
Brian Gaff -
Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name may be lost.
Blind user, so no pictures please!
"Woody" wrote in message
...
" wrote in message
...
In Sheffield we now have the BBC mux on ch63. In most areas it is 12
or 13dB above the ch60 mux. There are hundreds of communal systems
originally designed for Group A only, so in order to get Gp B and CD
muxes through them the muxes are launched at high levels, typically
only 5 to 7dB below the Gp A analogues. These old systems are often
working flat out, with excessive signal loss on cable due to age. The
head end amps are operating near the limit, so the new mux causes
cross mod, which gives the analogue channels a spotty effect and
affects the BER on the other muxes. So we have to fit filters to even
everything up, and before you know where you are the job has cost the
taxpayer or residents two or three hundred quid. Multiply that by a
few hundred systems! All this is to accommodate a fudge -- the ch39
mux had to move to allow the absurd temporary HD mux from Emley, and
at the last minute someone realised it wouldn't have the reach of
ch39, so they upped the power rather a lot. It just shows that they'll
use brute power when they're running scared. Oh, and ******** to the
analogue viewers on the S Yorks relays that use ch63. They are all
wondering why they only have three channels instead of four.

They do these things without a thought for the trouble and expense
they cause. Of course they were **** scared that Sheffield would have
reception problems in the lead up to the election, what with there
being a marginal constituency.

Bill




I know it doesn't help now, but at DSO Sheffield/Chesterfield become main
sites in their own right rather than slaves off Emley. Just to make things
worse this means both will radiate six muxes rather than the three of most
relays.

At this instant I'm not sure of the dates, but it is certainly before
Emley gets DSO in September next year.



--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

On Thu, 6 May 2010 07:04:07 UTC, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

I think Offcom have some dodgy folk making decisions generally, in the
technical sense.

Take the small Jewish medium wave station in Leeds, passed by offcom
recently, after being installed by some cowboy.

It basically is built next to an old peoples home, Its aerial is a scaffold
pole, guyed up resting on, wait for it, a wine bottle as an insulator.

The swr was so bad the engineer got a burn off the earth connection in the
plastic shed holding the transmitter. The old peoples home is having
serious problems with auto dorr mechanisms, emergency call chords, and the
TV system due to the close proximity, and poor earthing of the
installation. This has been passed by Offcom.

"Never mind the quality - Feel the width" :-)
--
Regards
Dave Saville

On Thu, 6 May 2010 09:07:01 +0000 (UTC), "Dave Saville"
wrote:

On Thu, 6 May 2010 07:04:07 UTC, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

I think Offcom have some dodgy folk making decisions generally, in the
technical sense.

Take the small Jewish medium wave station in Leeds, passed by offcom
recently, after being installed by some cowboy.

It basically is built next to an old peoples home, Its aerial is a scaffold
pole, guyed up resting on, wait for it, a wine bottle as an insulator.

The swr was so bad the engineer got a burn off the earth connection in the
plastic shed holding the transmitter. The old peoples home is having
serious problems with auto dorr mechanisms, emergency call chords, and the
TV system due to the close proximity, and poor earthing of the
installation. This has been passed by Offcom.

"Never mind the quality - Feel the width" :-)

I once sent a complaint to the old Radio Authority, about a local
radio station that was over-compressed and over-deviating, and
included the line "Never mind the quality, feel the bandwidth". They
didn't seem to think it was the least bit funny.

lid wrote:

I once sent a complaint to the old Radio Authority, about a local
radio station that was over-compressed and over-deviating, and
included the line "Never mind the quality, feel the bandwidth". They
didn't seem to think it was the least bit funny.

There's a national TV broadcaster who have been having regular video
glitches on one of their subsidiary channels in some areas. From within
the industry the fault has been traced to be within their playout
centre, and they have been informed of that fault. They've acknowledged
the problem, but I'm told their reaction to it was, quote; 'rather relaxed'.

As a normal viewer complaining, you now don't stand a chance these days,
if that's the caviler palm off industry colleagues get !

Bring back the IBA !

On Thursday, May 6th, 2010 at 14:46:38h +0100, Nemo wrote:

and included the line "Never mind the quality, feel the bandwidth".
They didn't seem to think it was the least bit funny.

The dullards probably did not understand the reference nor had ever
watched the TV show.

On Wed, 5 May 2010 18:42:41 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

They do these things without a thought for the trouble and expense
they cause.

Are you sure? Sometimes I'm convinced that they do stuff like this
precisely because of the "opportunity for profit" it gives to their
chums

In article , Brian Gaff
scribeth thus
I think Offcom have some dodgy folk making decisions generally, in the
technical sense.

Take the small Jewish medium wave station in Leeds, passed by offcom
recently, after being installed by some cowboy.

It basically is built next to an old peoples home, Its aerial is a scaffold
pole, guyed up resting on, wait for it, a wine bottle as an insulator.

The swr was so bad the engineer got a burn off the earth connection in the
plastic shed holding the transmitter. The old peoples home is having
serious problems with auto dorr mechanisms, emergency call chords, and the
TV system due to the close proximity, and poor earthing of the
installation. This has been passed by Offcom.


Are you sure it has?. In my experience with Ofcom there're pretty tight
with what they will let on the air and what they won't. There are parts
of the engineering code that relate to interference from newly
commissioned transmitters that might tho that relates to FM but if there
are genuine problems with interference then has anyone complained at
all.


http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radio/ifi/rb.../eng_code/#2.5

BTW do you know the name and location of the station?...

I only know this from a third party, but it kind of gells in with my
experiences of their interference finders who get sent out with duff
equipment etc.

Not in mine;!..

Sigh.
We have obviously lost the expertise to know hat the heck is going on!

Brian


--
Tony Sayer