Sutton and Lichfield

I've been working today at Burntwood, Staffs. SC and Lichfield are
both clearly visible. I haven't measured it but I'd guess they're 5 or
6 miles away. They are about 35deg apart. It is not possible to
receive the TV signals from both on one aerial, without compromising
quality. What a silly state of affairs.

Bill

Well, lets move Sutton coldfield for you then, would give you a lot of work
re-aligning all those aerials!

Actually, I suppose there are a lot of places around which fall between
stations in this way, presented with the historical siting of these masts,
I suppose its inevitable no matter how carefully you choose channels to
attempt to get around it.

I think one of the most annoying things about freeview boxes and sets is
that there seems to be no way to get the set to only look out for
multiplexes from one source when auto tuning.
IE I'd imagine built into the coding must be a site descriptor of some kind
which the set could be told to look out for and ignore other multiplexes.

Brian

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I've been working today at Burntwood, Staffs. SC and Lichfield are
both clearly visible. I haven't measured it but I'd guess they're 5 or
6 miles away. They are about 35deg apart. It is not possible to
receive the TV signals from both on one aerial, without compromising
quality. What a silly state of affairs.

Bill

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I've been working today at Burntwood, Staffs. SC and Lichfield are
both clearly visible. I haven't measured it but I'd guess they're 5 or
6 miles away. They are about 35deg apart. It is not possible to
receive the TV signals from both on one aerial, without compromising
quality. What a silly state of affairs.

Yes, I've been complaining about geometry for a long time, but no one
ever does anything about it. If we had a few more dimensions, we could
ensure that everywhere was within walking distance of everywhere else.

-- Richard

On 26/04/2010 23:47, wrote:
I've been working today at Burntwood, Staffs. SC and Lichfield are
both clearly visible. I haven't measured it but I'd guess they're 5 or
6 miles away. They are about 35deg apart. It is not possible to
receive the TV signals from both on one aerial, without compromising
quality. What a silly state of affairs.

I suppose the same is probably true for Pontop Pike and Burnhope, and
perhaps Crystal P and Croydon in some locations for Ch1-4/C5 analogue ?

I assume you were trying to get the temporary DVB-T2 mux from Lichfield,
along with the six T1 muxes from SC ?

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I think one of the most annoying things about freeview boxes and sets is
that there seems to be no way to get the set to only look out for
multiplexes from one source when auto tuning.
IE I'd imagine built into the coding must be a site descriptor of some
kind which the set could be told to look out for and ignore other
multiplexes.

It's a good point. I don't know if the Freeview specs support that but if
they do then surely the newer boxes will have this because after digital
switchover it will be chaos in many places.

Or perhaps I should "retrain" as a Freeview installer - is 50 quid a
call-out plus cup of tea too much to charge?

Paul DS.

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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I think one of the most annoying things about freeview boxes and sets is
that there seems to be no way to get the set to only look out for
multiplexes from one source when auto tuning.
IE I'd imagine built into the coding must be a site descriptor of some
kind which the set could be told to look out for and ignore other
multiplexes.

I think the name of the main station where the encoding takes place is
included but any relays will have the ID of the main station.

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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:00:56 +0000, Richard Tobin wrote:

Yes, I've been complaining about geometry for a long time

Including the curvature of space?

On 27/04/2010 15:08, Brian Gregory [UK] wrote:
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I think one of the most annoying things about freeview boxes and sets is
that there seems to be no way to get the set to only look out for
multiplexes from one source when auto tuning.
IE I'd imagine built into the coding must be a site descriptor of some
kind which the set could be told to look out for and ignore other
multiplexes.

I think the name of the main station where the encoding takes place is
included but any relays will have the ID of the main station.

In most cases the encoders feed several main stations anyway, so for
instance all main and relay stations in Wales carry the ID, 'Wales'.

Slightly less confusing than the old ID of 'Wenvoe' though !

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On Apr 27, 9:00*am, (Richard Tobin) wrote:
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wrote:
I've been working today at Burntwood, Staffs. SC and Lichfield are
both clearly visible. I haven't measured it but I'd guess they're 5 or
6 miles away. They are about 35deg apart. It is not possible to
receive the TV signals from both on one aerial, without compromising
quality. What a silly state of affairs.

Yes, I've been complaining about geometry for a long time, but no one
ever does anything about it. *If we had a few more dimensions, we could
ensure that everywhere was within walking distance of everywhere else.

-- Richard

Geometry doesn't worry me; I'm used to it now. My complaint was about
two main stations with the same nominal coverage area being so far
apart. Not a matter of universal physical law, like geometry; just a
matter of human affairs being imperfectly conducted.

Bill

On Apr 27, 9:06*am, Mark Carver wrote:
On 26/04/2010 23:47, wrote:

I've been working today at Burntwood, Staffs. SC and Lichfield are
both clearly visible. I haven't measured it but I'd guess they're 5 or
6 miles away. They are about 35deg apart. It is not possible to
receive the TV signals from both on one aerial, without compromising
quality. What a silly state of affairs.

I suppose the same is probably true for Pontop Pike and Burnhope, and
perhaps Crystal P and Croydon in some locations for Ch1-4/C5 analogue ?

I assume you were trying to get the temporary DVB-T2 mux from Lichfield,
along with the six T1 muxes from SC ?

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Mark
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http://www.paras.org.uk/

No, the temporary mux is of no interest, since there is no terrestrial
HD in the building and won't be for the next year. However it did
cross my mind that it could cause a problem had the circumstances been
different.

The problem was a few old tellys that needed analogue C5. In the end
we decided to scrap them. That was a better use of money than a
seperate aerial and channel filter!

Bill