Homeplugs

"Alan" wrote in message
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In message , Roger
wrote

look on ebay for comtrend - BT give them away with bt vision boxes and
people who dont need them sell them off . You will always find plenty for
sale on there. Be aware that these are the worst for causing interference
on SW/amateur radio so if your neighbours are into this you might want to
steer clear.

Or if you just want to get your own back - buy lots of them

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Alan

That is until people ruin the network by using their radios just as you
try to use your home network!

"Vortex5" wrote in message
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"Tony" wrote in message
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David WE Roberts wrote:
Having seen that my Bush HD sattelite box now has network settings, I
need a network.

Does anyone know of homeplugs (ethernet over 13 amp circuit) which are
better/cheaper than the Solwise ones?

http://www.solwise.co.uk/net-powerline-pl-85pe-mk2.htm

I don't know anything about ethernet over mains, but I do have a similar
requirement to connect my Blu ray player. Its really only for updates
but its likely more products in future will have ethernet/TCP/IP etc.

Presumably you have a router (rather than a USB modem), if it also
wireless you should be able to get something like a media changer to
connect at the other end. Some routers can do it aswell, but the Spare
buffalo one I have needs another buffalo at the other end to be
configured as a bridge. I did have it configured as bridge for a while
with my new router (Zyxel) but it could not handling being the
gatway/router and bridge at the same time, it was supposed to but it kept
losing packets.

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Tony

If your TV and DVD etc are in a location they have always been, and
always will be then I think it's worth the effort and disruption to
install a "proper" wired Ethernet connection from there to your broadband
router.

Homeplug type technology works, but ain't that fast and bear in mind that
every 24/7 quiescent watt costs you about a quid a year. More in the
future.

Wireless technology ain't that fasteither and when it really matters (ie
when you're streaming TV) can be a pain in the butt.

Make a wired connection. It makes sense.

d
Radio and TV technologies are becoming increasingly dependent on
broadband, and there's no reversing that trend.


I am well able to install a wired connection.
I have no desire to lift carpets, floorboards, and then channel down a wall,
cut out a box, then redecorate.
If and when I come to rewire and redecorate the room with the home cinema
then I will consider a wired connection.
However, at the moment life is too short.

My choices are a network over 240V wiring or a wireless bridge.

Wireless bridges are not particularly common or cheap and I have no
guarantee one work work with my wireless router.

The logical choice for the next year or so is a network over the 13A wiring.

So I refer all the people with their own particular agendas back to the
original question.

Was in a similar situation when I got my Humax Freesat receiver, I could run
the cable and stuff but i couldn't be aresd to rummage under the floor
boards. The mains network didn't work because of next doors powerline stuff
so i bought a wireless bridge Edimax EW-7206APG form Amazon £26. Works fine
connects with my BE SpeedTouch 780 router. wAtch a great deal of BBC Iplayer
really good.

PaulT

"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
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"Vortex5" wrote in message
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"Tony" wrote in message
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David WE Roberts wrote:
Having seen that my Bush HD sattelite box now has network settings, I
need a network.

Does anyone know of homeplugs (ethernet over 13 amp circuit) which are
better/cheaper than the Solwise ones?

http://www.solwise.co.uk/net-powerline-pl-85pe-mk2.htm

I don't know anything about ethernet over mains, but I do have a similar
requirement to connect my Blu ray player. Its really only for updates
but its likely more products in future will have ethernet/TCP/IP etc.

Presumably you have a router (rather than a USB modem), if it also
wireless you should be able to get something like a media changer to
connect at the other end. Some routers can do it aswell, but the Spare
buffalo one I have needs another buffalo at the other end to be
configured as a bridge. I did have it configured as bridge for a while
with my new router (Zyxel) but it could not handling being the
gatway/router and bridge at the same time, it was supposed to but it
kept losing packets.

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Tony

If your TV and DVD etc are in a location they have always been, and
always will be then I think it's worth the effort and disruption to
install a "proper" wired Ethernet connection from there to your broadband
router.

Homeplug type technology works, but ain't that fast and bear in mind that
every 24/7 quiescent watt costs you about a quid a year. More in the
future.

Wireless technology ain't that fasteither and when it really matters (ie
when you're streaming TV) can be a pain in the butt.

Make a wired connection. It makes sense.

d
Radio and TV technologies are becoming increasingly dependent on
broadband, and there's no reversing that trend.


I am well able to install a wired connection.
I have no desire to lift carpets, floorboards, and then channel down a
wall, cut out a box, then redecorate.
If and when I come to rewire and redecorate the room with the home cinema
then I will consider a wired connection.
However, at the moment life is too short.

My choices are a network over 240V wiring or a wireless bridge.

Wireless bridges are not particularly common or cheap and I have no
guarantee one work work with my wireless router.

The logical choice for the next year or so is a network over the 13A
wiring.

So I refer all the people with their own particular agendas back to the
original question.

On 01/04/2010 14:41, David WE Roberts wrote:
Having seen that my Bush HD sattelite box now has network settings, I
need a network.

Does anyone know of homeplugs

Yes I use them and they work fine. My wife can now use her laptop
anywhere in the house. Much more reliable than wi-fi.

In article , Mikeos wrote:
Does anyone know of homeplugs

Yes I use them and they work fine. My wife can now use her laptop
anywhere in the house. Much more reliable than wi-fi.

...provided you plug it in.

Maybe you've just been unlucky. Or maybe you've been misled by the
people who flog the stuff into thinking you can just plug it in, chuck
it anywhere, and it'll work anywhere by magic.

It's radio, and the rules are the same as for any other radio
transmission. Place the router in a clear central location, pick a free
channel (use a survey program such as inSSIDer to check this), and make
sure you have the most up to date drivers for the router and all
adaptors. If you have a particualrly large house, you can use a range
extender. Look - no wires!

Rod.
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"Paul Taylor" wrote in message
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Was in a similar situation when I got my Humax Freesat receiver, I could
run the cable and stuff but i couldn't be aresd to rummage under the floor
boards. The mains network didn't work because of next doors powerline
stuff so i bought a wireless bridge Edimax EW-7206APG form Amazon £26.
Works fine connects with my BE SpeedTouch 780 router. wAtch a great deal
of BBC Iplayer really good.
snip

Interesting point - you won't know if you have interference problems on Home
Plugs until you buy them and plug them in.

I think the AP may be the way to go although it is unlikely to give the same
throughput as the Home Plug.
However my network feed is only 10Mbits/sec so this should be adequate.

Thanks

Dave R

"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
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Having seen that my Bush HD sattelite box now has network settings, I need
a network.

Does anyone know of homeplugs (ethernet over 13 amp circuit) which are
better/cheaper than the Solwise ones?

http://www.solwise.co.uk/net-powerline-pl-85pe-mk2.htm

TIA

Dave R
Most Homeplug devices are made by the same companies and rebranded.
What they don't tell you is that it is very easy (using a fault they have)
to
connect to other people and use their network. It carries further than
wireless and it will travel hundreds of feet on a typical street. It
doesn't
just stay on the one mains phase because of inductive coupling. No matter
what security settings, you are leaving your system wide open. It's
more dangerous than using WiFi. If you know where to look you will
find the programs that are preloaded with default security code info and
can even work out what keys are used. That is why I suggest you use a
piece of network cable!

In message , Brian Gaff
writes
Anyone buying and using such things will have everyone with a short wave
radio within half a mile after their blood!

Before going down the PLT route for home communications, the relevant
articles on 'PLT' and 'PLC' in The EMC Journal might be of interest.
http://www.nutwooduk.co.uk/default.aspx?id=17
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Ian

TJ wrote, on 02/04/2010 14:19:
"David WE wrote in message
...
Having seen that my Bush HD sattelite box now has network settings, I need
a network.

Does anyone know of homeplugs (ethernet over 13 amp circuit) which are
better/cheaper than the Solwise ones?

http://www.solwise.co.uk/net-powerline-pl-85pe-mk2.htm

TIA

Dave R
Most Homeplug devices are made by the same companies and rebranded.
What they don't tell you is that it is very easy (using a fault they have)
to
connect to other people and use their network. It carries further than
wireless and it will travel hundreds of feet on a typical street. It
doesn't
just stay on the one mains phase because of inductive coupling. No matter
what security settings, you are leaving your system wide open. It's
more dangerous than using WiFi. If you know where to look you will
find the programs that are preloaded with default security code info and
can even work out what keys are used. That is why I suggest you use a
piece of network cable!

That is seriously bad misinformation and I can only guess at the motive
for posting it. Please take a look at the Wikipedia page:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug_Powerline_Alliance

Granted, it's Wikipedia but nevertheless a study of the links provided
to authoritative sources should provide some reassurance. Note, in
particular, that the HomePlug AV standard mandates 128-bit AES
encryption. The link to the list of certified HomePlug products might
also prove helpful:-

http://www.homeplug.org/kshowcase/view

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Dave N

"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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In message , Brian Gaff
writes
Anyone buying and using such things will have everyone with a short wave
radio within half a mile after their blood!

Before going down the PLT route for home communications, the relevant
articles on 'PLT' and 'PLC' in The EMC Journal might be of interest.
http://www.nutwooduk.co.uk/default.aspx?id=17
--
Ian

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