Internet, proxy servers (OT)

"J G Miller" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 20:09:04 +0000, TJ wrote:

You would also need to switch off active-x and java

Some of us never ever have active-x switched on (because it is
not needed), and people who do deserve to become part of botnets.

From http://www.torproject.ORG/download.html.en

QUOTE

Tor anonymizes the origin of your traffic, and it encrypts everything
between you and the Tor network and everything inside the Tor network,
but it can't encrypt your traffic between the Tor network and its final
destination. If you are communicating sensitive information, you should
use as much care as you would on the normal scary Internet — use HTTPS
or other end-to-end encryption and authentication.

UNQUOTE

rogue operators exist to read everything passing through
in the hunt for personal details etc.

If the data is encrypted on the Tor network, how do these rogue operators
read everything that is passing through?

Not being an expert in TOR - if the system has the ability to decrypt for
the final leg to the target host then the system has the ability do decrypt.
Therefore it can decrypt any traffic unless it is also encrypted before it
reaches the first TOR server (such as using an HTTPS connection).
However if you use the TOR network to negotiate your HTTPS connection then
you are possibly open to a spoof negotiation by an intermediate host which
again leaves your session vulnerable to interception.
A while since I dipped into cryptography so I can't remember how HTTPS is
supposed to guard against this.
Probably centred around the private key of the target host.

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:10:46 +0000, David WE Roberts wrote:

Therefore it can decrypt any traffic unless it is also
encrypted before it reaches the first TOR server

Exactly. The problem lies at the end node of the chain
where the packets come out of the TOR system and then
go from that end server to the destination machine.

http://www.theprivacyblog.COM/online...odes-turn-tor-
anonymizer-into-eavesdroppers-paradise/

Why would one be sending out personal data
on to the Internet which is not encrypted (via HTTPS
or GNUPG etc) whether one uses TOR to anonymize routing
or not?

If you are only using TOR to make anonymous comments on
some WebLog or deface Wikipedia and not have your source
IP revealed to those sites, having your traffic content
decrypted is not going to matter.

Merely using a proxy server is even less secure and less
anonymous than using TOR as I previously stated.

On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:14:43 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

You need to know that BT are in bed with Yahoo

And how quickly people forget the abuse of privacy with Phorm by BT.

http://www.guardian.co.UK/business/2...ivacy-and-the-
net

On 08/03/2010 22:04, Graham. wrote:

My ISP is BE and I don't care who knows it

OK.

My previous ISP was Tiscali, but I kept quiet about that.
I'm not at all sure why I am mentioning it now ;-)


Oh the embrassment! I'm sure we'll look at you in a different light now!!!

;-)

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Adrian C

On 08/03/2010 17:34, sweetheart wrote:
I know this is not the domain of TV techs but I don't know who might be
techie enough to know.


Can you suggest a good proxy server or a mobile dongle that doesn't cost
the earth?

It's amazing the lengths some will go to correct something 'incorrect'
posted on their Facebook wall page ...

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Adrian C

"Martin" wrote in message ...
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 11:30:14 -0000, "tim...." wrote:


"Martin" wrote in message
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:34:20 -0000, "tim...."
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"sweetheart" wrote in message
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I know this is not the domain of TV techs but I don't know who might be
techie enough to know.

I use BT as my ISP. I have heard that it is possible to hide your ISP
in
places you might not want to be recognised or for security. ( proxy
servers?) Is this true? Will it definitely hide an ISP so you cannot be
identified? Or would it be better just to change ISP's?

Why would you want to hide the fact that your ISP is BT?

(I understand the reasons for hiding your ISP, whoever they are, but I
can't
see why you would want to hide one specific one)

because that is the one sweetheart uses.

But she said that the alternative to hiding her BT ISP behind a proxy, was
to change her ISP to something else

Therefore I assume that there is a problem with her ISP being BT other than
because it is hers.

Possibly. I think she is a bit lost and possibly thinks there is something
unique about not being able to hide BT.

How do you know Sweetheart is female?

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Graham.

%Profound_observation%

In message , Paul D.Smith
writes
"sweetheart" wrote in message
...
I know this is not the domain of TV techs but I don't know who might
be techie enough to know.

I use BT as my ISP. I have heard that it is possible to hide your
ISP in places you might not want to be recognised or for security. (
proxy servers?) Is this true? Will it definitely hide an ISP so you
cannot be identified? Or would it be better just to change ISP's?

Can you suggest a good proxy server or a mobile dongle that doesn't
cost the earth?

Thanks

Why would you want to? No seriously, we need to know what you want to
do before we can suggest ways of doing it.

Paul DS.

When I saw the original post, I assumed that the o/p had used "ISP",
instead of I/P address.

Nobody can find out anything by knowing your ISP, unlike the I/P
address.
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Ian

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:52:33 +0000, Ian wrote:

Nobody can find out anything by knowing your ISP, unlike the I/P
address.

If you found out that somebody subscribed to this ISP, would it tell you
anything about them?

http://designlab.waqfa.COM/5.html

....snip...

When I saw the original post, I assumed that the o/p had used "ISP",
instead of I/P address.

Nobody can find out anything by knowing your ISP, unlike the I/P address.

Most ISPs assign IP addresses using DHCP so there isn't much you can
determine from an IP address either. Most IP address attacks are "block"
attacks and are not directed at a list of individual IP addresses.

Paul DS.

"tim...." wrote in message
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"Martin" wrote in message
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:34:20 -0000, "tim...."
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But she said that the alternative to hiding her BT ISP behind a proxy, was
to change her ISP to something else

Therefore I assume that there is a problem with her ISP being BT other
than because it is hers.

I will try and explain but this may sound more sinister than it is. I use
my computer to write to a social networking group/message board. There was
a bit of a hassle there and someone identified me in RL and got me banned.
Don't ask for details please. Anyway, I changed names and thought it would
be OK. Lots of people on this site have got banned and returned under other
names. However the site are using my IP address to " recognise" me and all
my new " names" get deleted - although I think that someone might be
guessing at it being me and are reporting it first because one name lasted
several months and another ( because it was one I had used years ago) got
deleted immediately) . I haven't done anything to hurt anyone and I am
genuine. I just got tied up in this hassle accidently. The board is
moderated obviously. You do not have to say much to be banned!

I found out that most of those who return successfully are changing ISP or
using a proxy server ( I think) . I just want to know how it works. I don't
want to change ISP's. I just want to hide it so they cannot trace posts back
to me.

As I said, it sounds more sinister than it really is.

Thanks for any help.