Can an SMATV system generally be upgraded to an IRS without startingagain

Simple question really can a SMATV system generally be upgraded to an
IRS using existing cables etc or do you generally have to start again
from scratch or is it impossible to answer that question without more
technical information.

I am just trying to understand how much work will be involved to get a
new IRS wallplate fitted to my flat which currently only has an outlet
connected to an existing SMATV system - I am imagining new cable runs
and new holes drilled into every flat but if they have to do this then
surely it will take ages to complete and the switchover is in Novemeber
and as far as I know they have not started yet.

On Mar 4, 4:51*pm, Nick Le Lievre
wrote:
Simple question really can a SMATV system generally be upgraded to an
IRS using existing cables etc or do you generally have to start again
from scratch or is it impossible to answer that question without more
technical information.

The latter, but generally an upgrade means renewal.


I am just trying to understand how much work will be involved to get a
new IRS wallplate fitted to my flat which currently only has an outlet
connected to an existing SMATV system - I am imagining new cable runs
and new holes drilled into every flat but if they have to do this then
surely it will take ages to complete and the switchover is in Novemeber
and as far as I know they have not started yet.
Don't worry. On a large block it only takes an average of an hour per
dwelling.

Bill

wrote:
On Mar 4, 4:51 pm, Nick Le Lievre
wrote:
Simple question really can a SMATV system generally be upgraded to an
IRS using existing cables etc or do you generally have to start again
from scratch or is it impossible to answer that question without more
technical information.

The latter, but generally an upgrade means renewal.


After reading this
http://www.digitaltelevision.gov.uk/...V_Report01.pdf
I thought as much

I am just trying to understand how much work will be involved to get a
new IRS wallplate fitted to my flat which currently only has an outlet
connected to an existing SMATV system - I am imagining new cable runs
and new holes drilled into every flat but if they have to do this then
surely it will take ages to complete and the switchover is in Novemeber
and as far as I know they have not started yet.

Don't worry. On a large block it only takes an average of an hour per
dwelling.

My estate is OK only three stories and there is only approx 80 homes,
its the high rise blocks that I am thinking about I guess they would
have to erect some sort of platform in order that the crew have access.

On Mar 4, 6:38*pm, Nick Le Lievre
wrote:
wrote:
My estate is OK only three stories and there is only approx 80 homes,
its the high rise blocks that I am thinking about I guess they would
have to erect some sort of platform in order that the crew have access.

There's no need for you to concern yourself. Either an internal cable
route will be found or a nice big cherry picker will be used.

These ones are good fun:
http://www.afi-uplift.co.uk/pdf/BA12...m%20L ift.pdf

At the end of the day you kiss the ground.

Bill

wrote:
On Mar 4, 6:38 pm, Nick Le Lievre
wrote:
wrote:
My estate is OK only three stories and there is only approx 80 homes,
its the high rise blocks that I am thinking about I guess they would
have to erect some sort of platform in order that the crew have access.

There's no need for you to concern yourself. Either an internal cable
route will be found or a nice big cherry picker will be used.

I guess when I heard that they were planning a new IRS system I became
concerned and immediately thought of the work involved and the cost, I
guess there is no cheap way to upgrade, convert, replace (or whatever
you want to call it) an SMATV system with an IRS system and its a major
task. From this letter http://user.itl.net/~nlel/digitaltv.JPG you might
not grasp what is involved

These ones are good fun:
http://www.afi-uplift.co.uk/pdf/BA12...m%20L ift.pdf

At the end of the day you kiss the ground.

LOL I bet you do

Nick Le Lievre wrote:

I guess when I heard that they were planning a new IRS system I became
concerned and immediately thought of the work involved and the cost, I
guess there is no cheap way to upgrade, convert, replace (or whatever
you want to call it) an SMATV system with an IRS system and its a major
task. From this letter http://user.itl.net/~nlel/digitaltv.JPG you might
not grasp what is involved

It does seem crazy that they're only going to make one satellite feed
available to each dwelling when two would not add that much to the
overall cost.
--
Adrian

Adrian wrote:
Nick Le Lievre wrote:

I guess when I heard that they were planning a new IRS system I became
concerned and immediately thought of the work involved and the cost, I
guess there is no cheap way to upgrade, convert, replace (or whatever
you want to call it) an SMATV system with an IRS system and its a
major task. From this letter http://user.itl.net/~nlel/digitaltv.JPG
you might not grasp what is involved

It does seem crazy that they're only going to make one satellite feed
available to each dwelling when two would not add that much to the
overall cost.

Well according to this

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/propertym...managing_costs

It costs approx £ 200 per outlet to install a basic IRS system, you
cannot upgrade an (S)MATV to IRS without replacement so the upgrade
prices listed are only for upgrading a (S)MATV to DTT if the cabling
supports it. IRS is the preffered option.

It says that an enhanced 5 wire IRS support dual feeds costs £ 220 per
outlet which is only £ 20 more, but if you figure that they have only
increased the rent by £ 1 a week for the 52 weeks of 2010 and that there
are about 5000 states homes then if you do the maths 5000 * 200 = £ 1
million and 5000 * 52 is only £ 260,000 so they are subsidising it by £
740,000 already then add on an extra £ 20 for each outlet and you are
talking an extra £ 100,000

"Mike Henry" wrote in message
...

It does seem crazy that they're only going to make one satellite feed
available to each dwelling when two would not add that much to the
overall cost.

Indeed. And doubly crazy that even now, Nick still doesn't want to fight
such a dumb decision, despite being given all the ammunition with which to
do so by posters here.


If they were not heavily subsidising the system then I would have a strong
case I feel, as they are only upping the rent by £ 1 a month over 12 months
2010 in order to recoup some of the costs... its their property some could
argue that therefore is it only right that they should pay and as the
property managers they can do/spend what they hell they like.... even if I
agreed to pay £ 220 they would still need a substancial number of other
tenants prepared to pay more to make it more attractive to them... you can
not just dual feed one flat you have to do the lot.

"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
news:hmrhhb$qh4
If they were not heavily subsidising the system then I would have a strong
case I feel, as they are only upping the rent by £ 1 a month over 12 months

sorry typo that should read £ 1 a week over 52 weeks.

"Mike Henry" wrote in message

Yes, as I said, you don't want to fight it. You've decided in advance that
you'd lose without even trying, so that's it, game over! You've wasted
many months already that you could have spent organising the other
residents into a unified protest.

I am sure a lot of my neighbours smoke pot all day and could not give a toss
either way or are just too dumb to understand the implications and/or have
more important things to think about such as money, kids etc sure there
would be some more technical minded who might wish to have two feeds also
but its a case of getting them all together... at the moment I am one voice
what do you suggest I do drop a note into every letterbox on my estate and
then its only my estate... there are a number of estates affected.