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On Feb 27, 9:29*am, Ian Jackson
wrote:
In message , Bill
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widgitt writes
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Another one for Bill

Would have been neater if he had taken the cables down inside the vent
pipe :-)

In the major areas of population, the mains sewerage system is connected
to nearly every home.

In 1983, when large-scale cable TV really started to take off in the UK,
to avoid having to dig up the streets, there was a very serious proposal
to use the sewer system for getting the signals to the home. There was
at least one cartoon showing the incoming drop cable emerging from the
U-bend of a toilet.

I don't think that the idea died the death, and often wonder how much
the sewers ARE used as ducts for various telecommunications cables.
--
Ian

In the early days of North Sea oil my uncle helped research the
possibility of communicating with the rigs by microwave in the gas
pipes. Presumably the gas was gaseous in the pipes, not liquid. I
don't know whether anything became of the idea.

Bill

On Feb 27, 11:29*am, Mark Carver wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:
http://www.broadbandgenie.co.uk/broa...roject-goes-li
ve-in-bournemouth

Interesting. I wonder why they changed their name from H2O to i3? Maybe
because all cutting-edge products need to have a lower-case 'i' in their
title?
Or maybe because too many people couldn't distinguish the O from and 0

Perhaps, though O2 seem to manage OK !

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk

My friend Keith Millward invented the brand name Hep2o.

Bill

Bill wrote:
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On Feb 26, 11:09 pm, widgitt wrote:
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Another one for Bill

I went to a communal system a few months ago (bloody miles away it
was) and when I finally winkled the bone idle caretaker out of his
hovel and got the roof keys off him

Bill,
talking of roof keys, do you know the FB series? I'm not sure what the
legal position is over access but I've noticed a fair few blocks have
gone away from using these. Used to be a time when nearly every council
block had them. Now they seem to rely on a caretaker having the
relevant keys. Not very good in normal times, let alone if access needed
in a hurry, there again a fireman's axe is quite effective I suppose.


It's been around 15 years since I needed to use FB keys, but they were
being abused even then. The problem was that anybody could buy them from
any locksmith - you didn't even have to forge them!

The first one to be replaced by padlocks and chains were on vehicle
access gates to pedestrianised estates because the car owners bought the
appropriate FB key and let themselves in and out as they wanted! Didn't
bother the fire brigade, of course - they simply chopped the chain off
with bolt cutters!

The problem for anybody else with legitimate cause for access, of
course, was tracking down the caretaker.

I'm sure that most of the lift motor rooms I went into latterly -
usually the way out to the roof - had Yale locks but I can't remember if
one key would cover a number of blocks or if they were all different.

The proliferation of pirate radio stations in built up areas these days
must have seen a serious increase in roof security, I would have thought.

Someone showed me a trick with FB keys after I had been unable to get
into a riser cupboard to commission kit that he had installed. He
produced the FB key that has projecting tabs at the end of the blade but
with the front tab cut off, and unlocked the door!

He explained that some caretakers 'customised' the locks on selected
doors so that, as I found, the normal key wouldn't work. He pointed out
that the 'business end' of the lock protruded slightly. He inserted my
key, pressed the protruding bit of the lock in and locked the door. My
key now opened it but his modified key wouldn't!

We repeated the process and put it back the way we found it and I bought
another sacrificial key!

On another occasion, I had trouble with an FB lock and couldn't find a
way to open it, so I went to a locksmith to see if there was another key
- IIRC there were FB1, FB2 & KB4 keys, but you never saw an FB3.

No joy though, but he did show me some old keys he had - identical in
every respect except that these old keys were at least double the size -
really solid lumps of iron - I was glad I didn't have to carry those
around with me!

(A colleague eventually opened the stubborn lock that I couldn't budge,
using the identical key that I was using - when we compared them
closely, the shaft on mine protruded further than his! A few seconds
work with a file and I had no further problems.)

--

Terry

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:29:37 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Bill
writes
In message
,
widgitt writes
http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/a...ucket/Dish.jpg

Another one for Bill


Would have been neater if he had taken the cables down inside the vent
pipe :-)

In the major areas of population, the mains sewerage system is connected
to nearly every home.

In 1983, when large-scale cable TV really started to take off in the UK,
to avoid having to dig up the streets, there was a very serious proposal
to use the sewer system for getting the signals to the home. There was
at least one cartoon showing the incoming drop cable emerging from the
U-bend of a toilet.

I don't think that the idea died the death, and often wonder how much
the sewers ARE used as ducts for various telecommunications cables.

No wonder there's so much ****e on TV

Was Peter Bazalgette involved? - he's related to the guy who designed
the original London sewerage system, so it runs in the family

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:40:27 +0000, wrote:

So what happens to the cable when the MR Drain cleaning man has to use
very high pressure jets or mechanical powered drain snakes to clear
it.

Yes, that's what I was wondering. Also there's a machine that
renovates sewers by installing a plastic lining.

In message
,
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On Feb 27, 9:28*am, "Woody" wrote:
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Complexified?

Wossat?

--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

Yes, it was considerably complexified. I think the residents had been
flummoxed by the complicatory and convolutorial entanglation of the
signals from the two transmitters. I tried to explain it but they just
looked at me gone out. Dead thick some people.

Ee, lad, Stanley Unwin would have been proud of you!
--
Ian

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writes
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:29:37 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Bill
writes
In message
,
widgitt writes
http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/a...ucket/Dish.jpg

Another one for Bill


Would have been neater if he had taken the cables down inside the vent
pipe :-)

In the major areas of population, the mains sewerage system is connected
to nearly every home.

In 1983, when large-scale cable TV really started to take off in the UK,
to avoid having to dig up the streets, there was a very serious proposal
to use the sewer system for getting the signals to the home. There was
at least one cartoon showing the incoming drop cable emerging from the
U-bend of a toilet.

I don't think that the idea died the death, and often wonder how much
the sewers ARE used as ducts for various telecommunications cables.

No wonder there's so much ****e on TV

Was Peter Bazalgette involved? - he's related to the guy who designed
the original London sewerage system, so it runs in the family

Unfortunately he lacked the foresight of making provision for
retrofitting with coax and fibre optic cables.
--
Ian

"Peter Watson" wrote in message ...
On 27/02/2010 09:29, Ian Jackson wrote:


I don't think that the idea died the death, and often wonder how much
the sewers ARE used as ducts for various telecommunications cables.


http://www.h2onetworksdarkfibre.com/index.php

I can't believe no one yet has mentioned Google TiSP
http://www.google.com/tisp/

--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:29:37 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Bill
writes
In message
,
widgitt writes
http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/a...ucket/Dish.jpg

Another one for Bill


Would have been neater if he had taken the cables down inside the vent
pipe :-)

In the major areas of population, the mains sewerage system is connected
to nearly every home.

In 1983, when large-scale cable TV really started to take off in the UK,
to avoid having to dig up the streets, there was a very serious proposal
to use the sewer system for getting the signals to the home. There was
at least one cartoon showing the incoming drop cable emerging from the
U-bend of a toilet.

I don't think that the idea died the death, and often wonder how much
the sewers ARE used as ducts for various telecommunications cables.

Isn't there a company in the south of England doing exactly that -
using the main sewer to use as ducting for their fibre cable? Brighton
springs to mind

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On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:28:33 -0000, "Woody"
wrote:


Complexified?

Wossat?


A word meaning "made complex".

It's really a "Bushism" (although the word pops up in speculative
discussions on hyperspace topologies and quantum mechanics).

It is in the Oxford English Dictionary along with its close relatives:
complexify, complexification and complexifying.

What's wrong with "complicated" ? It seems that "Complexify" wasn't in
the OED back in 2004. If it's actually in the current OED, that can only
be due to its profligate use in satirical creations of fiction, such as
spoof creationist articles, deliberately riddled with "Bushisms".

--
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