Newcomer Moxi aims to maximize the HD DVR experience

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

$500 MSRP and no monthly guide subscription. Did I read, or not read,
that right? Presumably the street price will be a significant
discount.

Nope. They're the only source. No "street price" available.

Moxi DVRs and Moxi Mates are also available through Amazon.com. Same
price, but no tax and free shipping. The Moxi site offers a "no questions
asked" 30 day money-back guarantee and free shipping. Pick your poison.

wrote:

I find it odd that they've chosen not to handle OTA. Of course there
is no need, if their target prospect is a major market, cable customer
or would-be customer.

Methinks it's a cost/market situation. The cost of adding OTA capabilities
to the hardware and software probably was not justified by the market.

No PPV! I don't get that?

As soon as CableLabs finalizes the tru2way interface specification,
they are ready to roll.

$500 MSRP and no monthly guide subscription. Did I read, or not read,
that right?

Yes, you read that right.

Presumably the street price will be a significant
discount.

Not yet. Limited distribution (through their site and Amazon) is keeping
"street price" the same as MSRP. In the future, who knows?

Our two TWC Moto DVRs, at $10/mo, do not have the HDD capacity (merely
160 GB) but one is equipped with a Hauppauge 1212 for archiving of
selected encrypted shows. The advantage I see for this is that 50+
months from now they will have been replaced at least once by
something else and, in the mean time, they'll be serviced or replaced
if (when) they cease functioning. So this Moxi, like TiVo, still
doesn't do it for us.

Archiving of shows recorded on Moxi is possible using Slingbox or
Monsoon (FAQ #30.)

What *I'd* like to see is a DVR that transfers programming to a USB
flash drive or SD memory card with the click of a mouse. But, industry
politics will probably prevent that from happening. [I can see it now:
Black market movies on USB drives.]

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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

$500 MSRP and no monthly guide subscription. Did I read, or not read,
that right? Presumably the street price will be a significant
discount.

Nope. They're the only source. No "street price" available.

Moxi DVRs and Moxi Mates are also available through Amazon.com. Same
price, but no tax and free shipping.

No tax in YOUR state! Amazon charges tax now in a few states and I'd look to
see taxes paid to all states for US internet commerce very soon. Sadly,
Amazon is located in Washington State as am I and I pay tax on all
purchases.

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

Moxi, a relative newcomer to the retail DVR category, offers HD DVR
models that provide features and capacities that others don¹t, including
multi-room streaming, as well as the ability to accept recording commands
sent to the DVR box via the internet‹a great feature if you¹re
occasionally absent-minded like me and forget to set a recording timer
for a show ahead of time before a trip.

http://www.avguide.com/review/moxi-h...dd-the-perfect
-vision-85?src=Playback

I didn't write the article, but I'll play.

Moxi isn't a relative newcomer at all. The reporter may not have heard of
them, but they've been around awhile.

The reporter wrote that Moxi is "a relative newcomer to the *retail* DVR
category." Tivo and Replay both have been selling *retail* DVRs since 1999.
Moxi, with Motorola, started selling OEM DVRs to cable systems (namely
Charter) in 2002. They only recently entered the *retail* DVR market, as
the author suggests.

Requirements: digital cable. It uses cablecards. I think there's an
analog adapter available as well, for some limited use.

Yes. It's a cable DVR. Moxi had been building DVRs for the OEM market. It
only makes sense that they would go after those same 100 million potential
customers. As far as analog/digital goes, just because there still is an
analog tier doesn't mean those same channels aren't also sent down the wire
digitally. Cox, for example, uses the Cisco/SA8240HDC DVR. It does *NOT*
have an analog tuner. Cox transmits channels 2-99 as analog for those who
choose not to use any STB, but also transmits them *digitally* in a half dozen
or so other frequencies. These are the frequencies that are received by the
SA8240HDC, which maps them as channels 2-99. The Moxi DVR would operate in the
same manner. Or one could use an optional "dongle" and receive/record the
analog signal (for what reason I don't know.)

No commercial skip, not even as a third party add-on. Winner: Replay.

The Moxi features a 30-second, 3-, 5-, or 15-minute (programmable) skip
function, or the FF button. This is equal or better than the skip on
the Replay (which only had a semi-functional "commercial skip" on some
early models.) Winner: Replay? Why?

You can't be sitting at an extender system and browse the guide and set up
recordings. You're upstairs in the bedroom and see a commercial or
otherwise think of something you'd like to record? Either traipse
downstairs to the main Moxi unit, or else fire up the computer you keep by
your bed and hit the main Moxi unit's web server. Oh, you don't keep a
computer next to your bed? Then get up and go downstairs. Winner: Replay.

Will be addressed in a future software upgrade, like the just released
upgrade to watching "Live TV." Gee, I didn't want to run RG6 all the way
to the back bedroom. Now I don't have to. Winner: Replay? Why?

Are new Replay DVRs even available anymore? No, I don't want to subscribe
to DirecTV. Loser: Replay.

Maximum storage? Moxi: 6TB or more Replay: 500GB (500GB drives available at
ebay for $150+ Loser: Replay

Monthly fees? Moxi: $0 Replay: Stand alone units are $12.95/month or $300
for a lifetime subscription. DirecTV units will trigger a $6/month service
fee as well as a $10/month HD access fee. Loser: Replay.

Oh, and is a HD Replay DVR even available without subscribing to DirecTV?

Gee, where can I get a new ReplayTV DVR?

I paid-up for a Moxi about 9 months ago. The unit had missing channels.
Moxi promised future software fixes, but I returned the unit while I still
could.

I much prefer my Tivo HD with external 1TB storage.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:27:31 -0500, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

In article ,
Wes Newell wrote:

When you can record as many shows as you want, there's really no need
to pay for cable or sat.

So it's all about quantity for you, and not at all quality?

Way, way too many shows are not available OTA or on basic cable anymore.

That all depends on *your* definition of quality. Personally, I find more
than enough quality shows from OTA than I can watch. Not to mention the
huge amount of movies shown during the week. Here, there's 100+ movies to
choose from during the week. Of course since I have no limitations on the
amount of shows I can record, quantity isn't an issue. If I had to go
back to using a Replay though, I'd probably just quit watching TV. The
idea of no HDTV and recording only one show at a time just doesn't appeal
to me. And I've been there with 5 seperate recorders. Never again.

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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:28:00 -0500, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

In article ,
Wes Newell wrote:

How
many HDTV shows can you record with your Replay? Zero!

Wrong.

As many as I want--the same way you can record digital cable shows.

No, you can only record HDTV shows downconverted from digital to analog
SD. I can't record any cable shows. If you'd have paid attention, you'd
know I don't have cable or sat., and have no desire to ever have it.
However, if I did have HD cable, I could record them in HD. You need to
do more research. And, if your cable provider would provide you with a
box with firewire out, you wouldn't even need a tuner card, just a
firewire input to the PC. And I really don't care, but I believe there
are external tuners with cable card support. And probably HDMI capture
cards by now.

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QN wrote:

I paid-up for a Moxi about 9 months ago. The unit had missing channels.

Exactly what do you mean by "The unit had missing channels" ??

Moxi promised future software fixes, but I returned the unit while I still
could.

What software fix did you need? They just released the one that lets the
Moxi Mate viewer watch "live TV."

I much prefer my Tivo HD with external 1TB storage.

....and monthly service charges.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:01:23 -0800, UCLAN wrote:

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

And what DVR do you have?

I have the same one I had 5 years ago after I dumped Tivo and other
commercial DVR's for their lack of features. I just bought some tuner
cards and installed them in my PC. Didn't have to do anything but
install the application and start the backend MythTV server running
along with my other servers. After that I installed a frontend receiver
on my other TV's. I would have thought you could tell from my sigline.
But perhaps that wasn't the reason for your inquiry.

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Yes, but can you record encrypted cable TV? In other words, is there
CableCard support?

No, there's not.

Is there with Replay TV?

No. Reply is an old single analog tuner recorder. To compare it to modern
HD recorders is ridiculous. Basically a doorstop without a converter box
or old analog cable (which won't be around much longer).

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Tivo HD/S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm
AMD cpu help http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php

Wes Newell wrote:

That all depends on *your* definition of quality. Personally, I find more
than enough quality shows from OTA than I can watch. Not to mention the
huge amount of movies shown during the week. Here, there's 100+ movies to

agree with Wes

there are plenty of thing to watch on ota as long as
you have ability to capture them any time of day