Anything positive to say about BBC HD quality.

On Jan 3, 6:25*pm, "Keith G" wrote:
"bcoombes" [email protected] wrote in message

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Keith G wrote:

"bcoombes" [email protected] wrote in message
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Java Jive wrote:
Anyhow, the point of my mentioning it is that
he also didn't really seem to get the point that the important issue
is not the pros and cons of analogue and digital media, but how the
companies trash the content thereof!)

Exactly, and the whole problem with digital is that it gives the
music/broadcasting moguls more mangling options while chasing the fast
buck.
On the subject of cd versus vinyl ISTR that I once heard an ultra high
end vinyl based system and was utterly astonished by the sound but I
think it was a system well beyond the reach of anyone but the ultra
rich. I can't remember the system details but I think the speakers were
the top of the range Tannoys from that era. (About 35 years
ago..unfortunately )

Bothers me when I see stuff implying that you have got to spend a fortune
to enjoy vinyl....

Well it depends on your standards. I've no doubt I could enjoy a £1000
vinyl system. To 'astonish' me would require much much more. (Law of
diminishing returns etc.)

I don't know about 'astonishing' for a grand but here (hopefully) is *a
leetle bit striking* (and plenty spanky) for 30 quid from this Technics deck
from eBay:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...sing%20Rig.jpg

Thus:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...arMeyer.wav(65 Meg)

Play it at *nosebleed level* for best effect - OK, there's gonna be a little
hiss on headphones in the 'gaps' and the run-off (which I have deliberately
left on) will be fokk'n noisy but, hey, we don't care about that *small
stuff*, do we..??

@;-)

Yep. sounds impressive for Vinyl
But compared to CD I think the treble is a bit lacking.

Richard E.

Keith G wrote:

"bcoombes" [email protected] wrote in message
o.uk...
Keith G wrote:

"bcoombes" [email protected] wrote in message
o.uk...
Java Jive wrote:
Anyhow, the point of my mentioning it is that
he also didn't really seem to get the point that the important issue
is not the pros and cons of analogue and digital media, but how the
companies trash the content thereof!)

Exactly, and the whole problem with digital is that it gives the
music/broadcasting moguls more mangling options while chasing the
fast buck.
On the subject of cd versus vinyl ISTR that I once heard an ultra
high end vinyl based system and was utterly astonished by the sound
but I think it was a system well beyond the reach of anyone but the
ultra rich. I can't remember the system details but I think the
speakers were the top of the range Tannoys from that era. (About 35
years ago..unfortunately )


Bothers me when I see stuff implying that you have got to spend a
fortune to enjoy vinyl....



Well it depends on your standards. I've no doubt I could enjoy a £1000
vinyl system. To 'astonish' me would require much much more. (Law of
diminishing returns etc.)



I don't know about 'astonishing' for a grand but here (hopefully) is *a
leetle bit striking* (and plenty spanky) for 30 quid from this Technics
deck from eBay:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...sing%20Rig.jpg

Thus:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/EdgarMeyer.wav (65 Meg)


Play it at *nosebleed level* for best effect - OK, there's gonna be a
little hiss on headphones in the 'gaps' and the run-off (which I have
deliberately left on) will be fokk'n noisy but, hey, we don't care about
that *small stuff*, do we..??

Yeah that sounds pretty good but my reservation is that it's all strings and I
find it's harder to discern good from very good or better with string. If you
were to post some human voice, preferably female doing the whole vocal range
from well recorded vinyl I'd probably be able to give a more considered verdict.
Anyway all my equipment is ten year old stuff purchased from Ebay for a song so
a normal £1000 is an Ebay £200 or so. What's the valve thingy over on the right
of the picture BTW?

"David" wrote in message
To watch HD you need a TV capable of 1080p. *NOT* 1080i as some people seem to think.

BBC HD is broadcasting in 1080i, my friend. Fat lot of good 1080p is for
that.

Besides, you don't pick a 1080p set based on anything other than the
size of your room and where you sit in relation to the screen. MANY
people have no need of a monster screen, and they're all happily
enjoying HD on their 1366x768 sets. I have a 42" 1080p set downstairs,
and a 26" 768p set at the end of my bed upstairs. Both look fantastic,
thank you very much.

--
Legend-11.

"bcoombes" [email protected] wrote


Yeah that sounds pretty good but my reservation is that it's all strings
and I find it's harder to discern good from very good or better with
string. If you were to post some human voice, preferably female doing the
whole vocal range from well recorded vinyl I'd probably be able to give a
more considered verdict.


OK, not easy to do at short notice so by way of a quick snatch here's a
Laurie Anderson track from the LP and the same track from the CD for
Richard, both compressed to 256K MP3s for equalness (the CD track was
already an MP3) - make your own 'volume' adjustments as necessary:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/KokokuLP.mp3

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/KokokuCD.mp3


Enjoy! Compare! Marvel at the differences (or lack thereof)!

(Makes me smile when everyone immediately counters any mention of an LP, or
vinyl generally, with some comparative remark about CDs! :-)


Anyway all my equipment is ten year old stuff purchased from Ebay for a
song so a normal £1000 is an Ebay £200 or so.


Quite - in my book, you have to be seriously wealthy or just a wee bit dim
to pay full retail for shiny, brand-new *boutique audio*....


What's the valve thingy over on the right
of the picture BTW?


A World Audio Design KT88 amplifier that I glued together in a very
interesting and satisfying 'join up the dots' exercise:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...ADKit88Amp.JPG

On 3 Jan, 20:57, Legend-11
wrote:
"David" wrote in message
To watch HD you need a TV capable of 1080p. **NOT* 1080i as some people seem to think.

BBC HD is broadcasting in 1080i, my friend. Fat lot of good 1080p is for
that.

Besides, you don't pick a 1080p set based on anything other than the
size of your room and where you sit in relation to the screen. MANY
people have no need of a monster screen, and they're all happily
enjoying HD on their 1366x768 sets. I have a 42" 1080p set downstairs,
and a 26" 768p set at the end of my bed upstairs. Both look fantastic,
thank you very much.

768p? Must be the only one ever made.

Keith G wrote:

"bcoombes" [email protected] wrote


Yeah that sounds pretty good but my reservation is that it's all
strings and I find it's harder to discern good from very good or
better with string. If you were to post some human voice, preferably
female doing the whole vocal range from well recorded vinyl I'd
probably be able to give a more considered verdict.


OK, not easy to do at short notice so by way of a quick snatch here's a
Laurie Anderson track from the LP and the same track from the CD for
Richard, both compressed to 256K MP3s for equalness (the CD track was
already an MP3) - make your own 'volume' adjustments as necessary:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/KokokuLP.mp3

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/KokokuCD.mp3


Enjoy! Compare! Marvel at the differences (or lack thereof)!

Hmm, when listening on headphones the cd version just shades it on treble
transparency I'd say although there is not very much in it, I could certainly
live with the Technics vinyl system. (Let's hear it for Ebay). Of course the
problem with back to back listening tests is you have to consider the whole food
chain, I was listening through a computer fitted with a Creative X-Fi Music
sound card with the Sennheisers plugged directly into it which gives quite good
sound reproduction considering the toxic (signal corruption-wise) environment
that is the interior of a computer. Whether I'd have come to the same conclusion
with the vinyl deck/cd player plugged directly into my main rig is hard to say.

(Makes me smile when everyone immediately counters any mention of an LP,
or vinyl generally, with some comparative remark about CDs! :-)


Anyway all my equipment is ten year old stuff purchased from Ebay for
a song so a normal £1000 is an Ebay £200 or so.


Quite - in my book, you have to be seriously wealthy or just a wee bit
dim to pay full retail for shiny, brand-new *boutique audio*....

Well everyone knows that a ten year old IT stuff is useless so I think most
people under 30(ish) assume the same must be true of audio equipment, leaving
the discerning older gentlemen the pick of the field on Ebay. Of course I'm
still happy with stereo which is sneered upon by the 7.1 generation. What does
surprise me though is how much top end old speakers go for sometimes; a single
20 year old 15" Tannoy concentric unit in need of maintenance will still fetch
serious money.

What's the valve thingy over on the right
of the picture BTW?


A World Audio Design KT88 amplifier that I glued together in a very
interesting and satisfying 'join up the dots' exercise:

Last time I did that ISTR that when I turned it on for the first time a cap blew
up big time and unfurled right across the room. That was my last foray into the
build your own electronics world.

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article en.co.uk,
Roderick Stewart scribeth
thus
In article , Steve Terry
wrote:
So what you are saying is more channels are better.
Then Internet radio is better, making DAB irrelevan

Internet radio usually sounds better too, even at 128kb/s. Many
stations are available in several bitrates, and even if you only listen
to the higher quality ones, there are still hundreds of them.

Indeed.. but not -that- available mobile;(...
Tony Sayer


I've done it, Skype S2 as a HSDPA modem on Three 3pay PAYG
5quid per month internet add on.
USB lead connected to Fujitsu laptop PC and amplified speakers.

Steve Terry
--
Get a free Three 3pay Sim with £2 bonus after £10 top up
http://freeagent.three.co.uk/stand/view/id/5276

On Jan 3, 9:33*pm, "Keith G" wrote:


OK, not easy to do at short notice so by way of a quick snatch here's a
Laurie Anderson track from the LP and the same track from the CD for
Richard, both compressed to 256K MP3s for equalness (the CD track was
already an MP3) - make your own 'volume' adjustments as necessary:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/KokokuLP.mp3

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/KokokuCD.mp3

Enjoy! Compare! Marvel at the differences (or lack thereof)!

I've downloaded them. Going to add Replay Gain, then put them on my
Squeezebox server to listen to try out a bit later.

(Makes me smile when everyone immediately counters any mention of an LP, or
vinyl generally, with some comparative remark about CDs! :-)

OK. Well I thought we were talking about CD being better than Vinyl,
or has the conversation moved on since then?

Richard E.

On 2 Jan, 17:21, "
wrote:

However a lot of people listen to FM on the cheap & nasty portables
that are around now, in workplaces with bad reception and
interference, also a lot of 'music' (more time goes on adverts and
yakking) stations distort and over-compress the audio, and probably
over-modulate the transmitter, at least they can't do that with DAB.

Wishful thinking I'm afraid. FM over modulation would get them a slap
from OfCom, so is rare.

DAB over modulation - simply clipping the digital signal on the way
to, or within, the encoder - isn't regulated. Stations can (and do) do
this.

Cheers,
David.

"bcoombes" [email protected] wrote in message
o.uk...
Keith G wrote:

Enjoy! Compare! Marvel at the differences (or lack thereof)!

Hmm, when listening on headphones the cd version just shades it on treble
transparency I'd say although there is not very much in it, I could
certainly live with the Technics vinyl system. (Let's hear it for Ebay).
Of course the problem with back to back listening tests is you have to
consider the whole food chain, I was listening through a computer fitted
with a Creative X-Fi Music sound card with the Sennheisers plugged
directly into it which gives quite good sound reproduction considering the
toxic (signal corruption-wise) environment that is the interior of a
computer. Whether I'd have come to the same conclusion with the vinyl
deck/cd player plugged directly into my main rig is hard to say.


The only way to *choose* in situations like this is to run the two sysytems
properly in your own setup over a period of time. Your preferences (if any)
will evolve sooner or later. CDs (or 'digital' generally) and LPs aren't
mutually exclusive - it's perfectly possible to enjoy both.


Well everyone knows that a ten year old IT stuff is useless so I think
most people under 30(ish) assume the same must be true of audio equipment,
leaving the discerning older gentlemen the pick of the field on Ebay. Of
course I'm still happy with stereo which is sneered upon by the 7.1
generation. What does surprise me though is how much top end old speakers
go for sometimes; a single 20 year old 15" Tannoy concentric unit in need
of maintenance will still fetch serious money.



Quality analogue gear will always fetch a good price - it's only modern,
digital stuff that becomes not even worth the price of a repair if it goes
tits-up, but good speakers will always find a home!



What's the valve thingy over on the right
of the picture BTW?


A World Audio Design KT88 amplifier that I glued together in a very
interesting and satisfying 'join up the dots' exercise:

Last time I did that ISTR that when I turned it on for the first time a
cap blew up big time and unfurled right across the room. That was my last
foray into the build your own electronics world.


Someone, somewhere was *telling you* something - I'm glad you appear to have
heard them!!

@:-)