Promax robbed my photo..........thieving bar-stewards

"-GB-Carpy" wrote:

Well I went into Promax UK, and asked if I could see whoever was responsible
for putting together this TVHunter PDF. They asked me why, so I said that
whoever did it had stolen my photo and I wanted to grill them about this.

They said Promax would never steal any photo, and it wasn't produced by the
UK team anyway - it was the Spanish lot. I assured them it was defnitely my
photo that has been used without my permission, but they said that's
impossible! I told them I would pursue the Spanish arm of Promax and see
what they say about it. Problem is, my Spanish is particularly poor, so I'm
a bit stuck on how to proceed from here! I reckon a free TV Hunter is
defnitely a goer, if I can push the right buttons and annoy them to the
point where they just want me to go away.....

Show them this:

http://imgur.com/JWZy1.jpg

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Dave Farrance

Show them this:

http://imgur.com/JWZy1.jpg

That's nice - what software did that for you?

Paul DS.

"Dave Farrance" wrote in message
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"-GB-Carpy" wrote:

Well I went into Promax UK, and asked if I could see whoever was
responsible
for putting together this TVHunter PDF. They asked me why, so I said that
whoever did it had stolen my photo and I wanted to grill them about this.

They said Promax would never steal any photo, and it wasn't produced by
the
UK team anyway - it was the Spanish lot. I assured them it was defnitely
my
photo that has been used without my permission, but they said that's
impossible! I told them I would pursue the Spanish arm of Promax and see
what they say about it. Problem is, my Spanish is particularly poor, so
I'm
a bit stuck on how to proceed from here! I reckon a free TV Hunter is
defnitely a goer, if I can push the right buttons and annoy them to the
point where they just want me to go away.....

Show them this:

http://imgur.com/JWZy1.jpg

--
Dave Farrance

Superb Dave thanks for that. If you could possibly keep it hosted for a
while until I get this sorted out? I will report back with any progress!

"Paul D.Smith" wrote:

Show them this:

http://imgur.com/JWZy1.jpg

That's nice - what software did that for you?

I use the Gimp since it's free, but any photo manipulation app like
Photoshop or Paintshop should do. Once you've got your head around the
concepts of the canvas, layers, masks, and filters, then something like
that can be knocked together quite quickly.

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Dave Farrance

"-GB-Carpy" wrote:

"Dave Farrance" wrote:

Show them this:
http://imgur.com/JWZy1.jpg

Superb Dave thanks for that. If you could possibly keep it hosted for a
while until I get this sorted out? I will report back with any progress!

Cool. It's on imgur.com, which is a free image hosting site that requires
no user account to upload images, and it retains an image as long as
somebody views it at least once every 3 months.

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Dave Farrance

Well after 2 years of using my photograph and another discussion with Promax UK, they have finally acknowledged they have been using my photo for the last 2 years, and have now removed it from all their literature.

Promax UK's stance is it was "someone" in Promax Spain that stole the photo, and he doesn't work for the company anymore, and they aren't willing to offer anything as compensation except a verbal apology.

Pretty disappointed with their attitude really. I've been a loyal customer for years and would have been happy with some kind of freebie. Even a new mains charger for my TV Explorer would have sufficed. I've lost mine and refuse to pay the £100 or so they want for a replacement.

I'd love to know if there's a way to take this further, mainly because I don't like their attitude. I doubt it's a road worth exploring though? If anyone has a different brand of analyser which compares to the Promax ones then I'm all ears.

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Rayden wrote:
Well after 2 years of using my photograph and another discussion with
Promax UK, they have finally acknowledged they have been using my photo
for the last 2 years, and have now removed it from all their literature.

Promax UK's stance is it was "someone" in Promax Spain that stole the
photo, and he doesn't work for the company anymore, and they aren't
willing to offer anything as compensation except a verbal apology.

IANAL however taking what you write at face value: I think the legal
problem they would have is that regardless of whoever "stole" it, if
they've been using it without permission then they may have breached
copyright by doing so. AIUI it was down to them to ensure that "rights"
they think they were assigned were granted by a "someone" legally
entitled to grant them.

If reproducing copyright material without the copyright-owner's permission
ends up costing them, it is for them to decide if they want to take
action against the "someone" who mislead them.

cf below for how to check this.



Pretty disappointed with their attitude really. I've been a loyal
customer for years and would have been happy with some kind of freebie.
Even a new mains charger for my TV Explorer would have sufficed. I've
lost mine and refuse to pay the £100 or so they want for a replacement.

I'd love to know if there's a way to take this further, mainly because I
don't like their attitude. I doubt it's a road worth exploring though?

1) Ask your local CAB (who may have a legal clinic and/or can write a
legalese letter for you to the company in question).

2) Then if you wish, contact a lawyer.

A letter from either may well 'improve' their attitude if you have a
reasonable legal case.

But in the end, your decision how far to push. A lawyer with the
relevant experience may be able to advise on what level of damages
you might get, and if the issue is worth acting upon.

Slainte,

Jim

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IANAL however taking what you write at face value: I think the legal
problem they would have is that regardless of whoever "stole" it, if
they've been using it without permission then they may have breached
copyright by doing so. AIUI it was down to them to ensure that
"rights" they think they were assigned were granted by a "someone"
legally entitled to grant them.


But in the end, your decision how far to push. A lawyer with the
relevant experience may be able to advise on what level of damages
you might get, and if the issue is worth acting upon.


uk.legal.moderated might give you a additional views. FWIW (ie v
little) my vague recollection is that:

a. you are not entitled to anything if PROMAX can argue they'd no
reason to believe that someone else had copyright; and more important
b. how much compensation you would get is typically based on the loss
you have suffered (eg how much less the photo is worth now because it
has been used by PROMAX) or on how much extra profit PROMAX have made
from using your photo (ie all those sales made from using that rather
than some other chimney etc) . Both likely to be small tending towards
........?

(And their lawyers may have advised them to give you nothing for fear of
admitting more.)
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Robin
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Rayden wrote:
Well after 2 years of using my photograph and another discussion with Promax UK,

they have finally acknowledged they have been using my photo for the
last 2 years, and have

now removed it from all their literature.

What was it a picture of?

Promax UK's stance is it was "someone" in Promax Spain that stole the photo, and

e doesn't work for the company anymore, and they aren't willing to offer
anything as

compensation except a verbal apology.

Pretty disappointed with their attitude really. I've been a loyal customer for years

and would have been happy with some kind of freebie. Even a new mains
charger for my TV

Explorer would have sufficed. I've lost mine and refuse to pay the £100
or so they

want for a replacement.

The three Promaxes we have will all charge from any 12V DC supply, such
as any old PSU. I think the current drawn is 2.5A max. The plug is
slightly bigger than the 'normal' one, but CPC sell them.

Bill

It was a picture of a nice simple Group A installation I'd just completed. They took the photo, chopped out the aerial, and pasted in a strange cartoon man aligning a horrendously large wideband.

I've never been able to find the correct DC plug size on CPC. The Promax seems to be 5.5mm x 2.5mm (12mm long). Have just ordered some from ebay and will see if they fit......