16:9 aspect ratio and StarTrek movie in Blu Ray

CLicker wrote in message
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: Why would you care how others may care to view a video? Are you a
: Republican?

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Boy do YOU have that backwards!

It is the f'n Democrats that keep coming up with nanny state ideas - NOT
Republicans!

"Remysun" wrote in message
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On Nov 30, 12:01 am, "Charles Tomaras" wrote:

No, I'm a staunch Democrat who pines for others to watch movies properly
as
I do. Call me wrong but at least I admit I toss and turn at night out of
concern for my fellow man who may not have any cinematic knowledge or
taste.

: What about those of us who don't want the public option? : )

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What about those who don't want Government ruining health care?

Richard C. wrote:

What about those who don't want Government ruining health care?

It isn't "ruined" already?

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:57:21 -0800, "Richard C."
wrote:

"Remysun" wrote in message
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On Nov 30, 12:01 am, "Charles Tomaras" wrote:

No, I'm a staunch Democrat who pines for others to watch movies properly
as
I do. Call me wrong but at least I admit I toss and turn at night out of
concern for my fellow man who may not have any cinematic knowledge or
taste.

: What about those of us who don't want the public option? : )

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What about those who don't want Government ruining health care?

Fruitcakes.
Thumper

In article "Edmund" writes:

"Alan" wrote in message
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In article "Edmund" writes:

Black bars only reduce picture information, screen size and resolution.

Edmund

Not always true. The picture is mpeg encoded, and the mpeg coding
must at times compromise on resolution of parts of the image to fit in
its bit-rate budget. As a result, replacing part of the area of the
picture with black bars allows the coding to increase the resolution of
the remaining pictue.

The resolution limit is not always the 1920 by 1080 resolution of the
physical screen.

Alan

I don't know all in's and out's of the blue ray format and I take it from
you
that it is or would be possible to increase the color dept or even
resolution
but I am sure that a TV cannot produce more then 1080 vertical lines.
So that means there is no way the resolution can be increased with the
black bars.
(Unless you build your own TV with a higher resolution.)

Edmund

What made you think that the screen filling picture actually had 1080
lines of resolution? If you feed it with a picture with less resolution,
those 1080 lines will show a lower resoluton image. If you feed it with a
complex image, the mpeg coding may well not show full resolution on every
frame.

The set cannot produce more than 1080 lines, but that doesn't mean it
always does even that.

Alan

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:36:44 +0000 (UTC),
(Alan) wrote:

In article "Edmund" writes:

Black bars only reduce picture information, screen size and resolution.

Edmund

Not always true. The picture is mpeg encoded, and the mpeg coding
must at times compromise on resolution of parts of the image to fit in
its bit-rate budget. As a result, replacing part of the area of the
picture with black bars allows the coding to increase the resolution of
the remaining pictue.

The resolution limit is not always the 1920 by 1080 resolution of the
physical screen.

Alan

Just because Edmund has no idea what "resolution" means doesn't meant
that you should go along with it. Pixels per linear or square inch is
the only definition of resolution in regard to digital TV screens.

Thus 1920x1080 does not, in and of itself, define screen resolution
without knowing the screen's dimensions.

Repeat after me:
Smaller screens, of the same number of pixels, have higher resolution.
Larger screens, of the same number of pixels, have lower resolution.

Further, more bits dedicated to recreating a pixel means that the
pixel will have more definition or color depth (i.e. more closely
approximate the origin). At least one dictionary defines "definition"
as "clarity of outline," and "depth" as "strength" or "intensity." But
even 24 bits per pixel will not alter the resolution of the display
which presents it.

On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:19:42 -0800, " CLicker
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:36:44 +0000 (UTC),
(Alan) wrote:

In article "Edmund" writes:

Black bars only reduce picture information, screen size and resolution.

Edmund

Not always true. The picture is mpeg encoded, and the mpeg coding
must at times compromise on resolution of parts of the image to fit in
its bit-rate budget. As a result, replacing part of the area of the
picture with black bars allows the coding to increase the resolution of
the remaining pictue.

The resolution limit is not always the 1920 by 1080 resolution of the
physical screen.

Alan

sniped first part

Further, more bits dedicated to recreating a pixel means that the
pixel will have more definition or color depth (i.e. more closely
approximate the origin). At least one dictionary defines "definition"
as "clarity of outline," and "depth" as "strength" or "intensity." But
even 24 bits per pixel will not alter the resolution of the display
which presents it.

What Alan and I pointed out is that the MPEG coding throws away
picture detail. That means that the screen resolution and/or 1920x1080
signal format resolution is only the upper limits.

In the context of letterbox picture, the encoder can then use more of
the available bits (per second) to encode the most essential picture
information and spend less on the black bars.
/Jan

"JBDragon" wrote in message
news

Name 1 thing that Government is running right? Post Office is Bankrupt,
So is Social Security, Medicare, and the list goes on!!! This whole
Government takeover was suppose to do a couple things, Lower Costs, and
cover EVERYONE, and yet it does NEITHER!!! Why is is that if the US
Heath care is so screwed up, people from other Countries with FREE
Socialist Heath care come to the U.S. to get their life saved? Want to
know WHY Healthcare costs is the U.S. has been skyrocketing. it's a few
things. First Government run Medicare. it doesn't cover the whole cost.
Only a small Fraction, I've heard as low as 30%. Guess who has to make up
that loss? Yep, the people with their own Insurance which Raises cost.
So your not only paying for yourself, but also those Government Medicare
people!!! The other reason is because of all the Expensive hardware in the
U.S. that we use. All the Cat Scan and other Machines, that are Millions
of Dollars. The U.S. has 1000 times more of that hardware then Canada for
example. Which is why your waiting in lines for 6-9 months!!! 10,20,
30+ years ago, we didn't have all this fancy hardware that needed to be
paid for!!!

You know what happens when you get the Government running Heath care,
because you have no one to complain to. What you get are LONG LINES and
LONG Waiting lists. Death Panels, already been proven. Cheaper to let a
old person Die when it costs the most money. I can go on., but what's
really funny, or SAD depending on how you look at it. TO make the HUGE
costs look better. Everyone will be paying into it for 3 years before it
even Starts. Why is that? So that the numbers look better? So what we
have crap heath care for 7 years, then another 4 years to pay ahead, then
another 7 years, or does it greatly increases in costs after the fist 10
years???

If the Government is running things and tell YOU how much you should get
paid, why spend all that time and money to get crap pay? So more people
into the system. The number of doctors doesn't go up, in fact will end up
going DOWN, your Costs will go UP still. All kinds of things are getting
TAXED!!! and yet still not everyone will be covered. I don't get it. Why
anyone would want this 2000+ page garbage that they won't even be bothered
to read is beyond me. It's completely unconstitutional!!!

This will end up hurting EVERYONE, well except the House and Senate for
one thing. They get to keep they're own really nice heath care plan!!!
Really, if this national heath care was so great, why have theirs??? I
guess if it's BAD for everyone at least it's FAIR!! I could go on
forever. This so called Heath Care Reform needs to DIE!!!!! It's
nothing having to do with better heath care at a lower cost, it's ALL
ABOUT GOVERNMENT CONTROL. If they really wanted to lower Costs, some cheap
easy solutions, like TORT Reform, and being able to buy Insurance from
anyone over state lines just like your Auto Insurance. 1 so called
Government option is somehow better then Thousands of Insurance company's?
See no, they just want the Government Option. Insurance company's can't
compete when the Government can set the rules and Subsidies the costs.
There ends up being NO competition, only the GOVERNMENT in the end.


Well... to steer this back on topic... just how does FOX News look on your
HDTV? I can't seem to get it to tune in on my set at all...I have much
better luck with MSNBC.

CLicker wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:36:44 +0000 (UTC),
(Alan) wrote:

In article "Edmund" writes:

Black bars only reduce picture information, screen size and resolution.

Edmund

Not always true. The picture is mpeg encoded, and the mpeg coding
must at times compromise on resolution of parts of the image to fit in
its bit-rate budget. As a result, replacing part of the area of the
picture with black bars allows the coding to increase the resolution of
the remaining pictue.

The resolution limit is not always the 1920 by 1080 resolution of the
physical screen.

Alan

Just because Edmund has no idea what "resolution" means doesn't meant
that you should go along with it. Pixels per linear or square inch is
the only definition of resolution in regard to digital TV screens.

Thus 1920x1080 does not, in and of itself, define screen resolution
without knowing the screen's dimensions.

Repeat after me:
Smaller screens, of the same number of pixels, have higher resolution.
Larger screens, of the same number of pixels, have lower resolution.

Further, more bits dedicated to recreating a pixel means that the
pixel will have more definition or color depth (i.e. more closely
approximate the origin). At least one dictionary defines "definition"
as "clarity of outline," and "depth" as "strength" or "intensity." But
even 24 bits per pixel will not alter the resolution of the display
which presents it.


All others know exactly what I mean and since english is not my
first language I don't know a better way of expressing it.
Have fun splitting hears with youre dictionaries and never mind the
discussion.

Edmund

Edmund wrote:

CLicker wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:36:44 +0000 (UTC),
(Alan) wrote:

In article "Edmund" writes:

Black bars only reduce picture information, screen size and resolution.

Not always true. The picture is mpeg encoded, and the mpeg coding
must at times compromise on resolution of parts of the image to fit in
its bit-rate budget. As a result, replacing part of the area of the
picture with black bars allows the coding to increase the resolution of
the remaining pictue.

The resolution limit is not always the 1920 by 1080 resolution of the
physical screen.

Just because Edmund has no idea what "resolution" means doesn't meant
that you should go along with it. Pixels per linear or square inch is
the only definition of resolution in regard to digital TV screens.

Thus 1920x1080 does not, in and of itself, define screen resolution
without knowing the screen's dimensions.

Repeat after me:
Smaller screens, of the same number of pixels, have higher resolution.
Larger screens, of the same number of pixels, have lower resolution.

Further, more bits dedicated to recreating a pixel means that the
pixel will have more definition or color depth (i.e. more closely
approximate the origin). At least one dictionary defines "definition"
as "clarity of outline," and "depth" as "strength" or "intensity." But
even 24 bits per pixel will not alter the resolution of the display
which presents it.

All others know exactly what I mean and since english is not my
first language I don't know a better way of expressing it.
Have fun splitting hears with youre dictionaries and never mind the
discussion.

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