You will need new equipment for HD TV, what you got is no good.

comp.john wrote:
On 2009-12-05, Dr Zoidberg wrote:
Nobody has claimed that a HD ready TV with built in freeview tuner will
receive HD Freeview transmissions.

Do you not think it is reasonable to expect a HD-compatible TV that
comes with its own tuner, that its tuner will be HD-compatible?



It would be reasonable to check before you buy. No Freeview HD
televisions are available to buy yet.

David wrote:
Do not buy a new TV, do not be taken in by the digital Tick on box or
set on a HD TV set.
BBC just annouced on the BBC News programme Click new equipment will be
needed for BBC HD, ITV, Ch4 and Five in HD next year
My new TV which now gets BBC HD and ITV1 (limited) will need new
equipment for the starting CH4 and Five. in HD.
This was from a Digital TV Group spokesman.
So all the other posts on this group about this are now official to Joe
Public.
Regards
David

Anyone with enough nouse to post to usenet and who spends circa £1k on a
TV without doing just a /bit/ of research has noone to blame but
themselves. My HD ready plasma does a wonderful job via my laptop using
iPlayer. Yes I may need to buy a new box for Freeview HD but hey, that's
my lookout noone elses.

On 2009-12-07, Adrian wrote:
comp.john wrote:
On 2009-12-05, Dr Zoidberg wrote:
Nobody has claimed that a HD ready TV with built in freeview tuner will
receive HD Freeview transmissions.

Do you not think it is reasonable to expect a HD-compatible TV that
comes with its own tuner, that its tuner will be HD-compatible?



It would be reasonable to check before you buy. No Freeview HD
televisions are available to buy yet.


That is a strange arguement. How can you check for what has not been
manufactured yet? All these full hd-ready tellys, and now they're not.
yeah, they're hd-ready with their own freeview tuner. Which isn't
hd-ready.

Next year all dvb encoding is going to be via the
zaphod-arhgauihg-mrrb-v2a method that nobody knows about. Oh, didn't you
check?
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comp.john

On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:50:47 +0000, Mike wrote:

David wrote:
Do not buy a new TV, do not be taken in by the digital Tick on box or
set on a HD TV set.
BBC just annouced on the BBC News programme Click new equipment will be
needed for BBC HD, ITV, Ch4 and Five in HD next year
My new TV which now gets BBC HD and ITV1 (limited) will need new
equipment for the starting CH4 and Five. in HD.
This was from a Digital TV Group spokesman.
So all the other posts on this group about this are now official to Joe
Public.
Regards
David

Anyone with enough nouse to post to usenet and who spends circa £1k on a
TV without doing just a /bit/ of research has noone to blame but
themselves. My HD ready plasma does a wonderful job via my laptop using
iPlayer. Yes I may need to buy a new box for Freeview HD but hey, that's
my lookout noone elses.

I think that's just a *little* to hard.
'Buyer beware' of course, but what reason would a non-technical person
have to even suspect that a brand-new, current-production TV might be
obsolescent, and that therefore he should do such research?

There are/will be many cases such as this, and I would love to see a
Trading Standards officer somewhere take a retailer to court for not
correctly advising a customer.

On 07/12/09 12:32, comp.john wrote:

That is a strange argument. How can you check for what has not been
manufactured yet?

Granted you can only do research into the immediate future, the short
answer is to wait until what is available does all you require, and
hardly ever believe the term "future proof".

All these full hd-ready tellys, and now they're not.

HD-Ready is a marketing term defined as being ready to DISPLAY, rather
than to RECEIVE a HD signal.

http://www.hdready.org.uk/

"comp.john" wrote in message
...
On 2009-12-05, David wrote:
Do not buy a new TV, do not be taken in by the digital Tick on box or set
on
a HD TV set.
BBC just annouced on the BBC News programme Click new equipment will be
needed for BBC HD, ITV, Ch4 and Five in HD next year
My new TV which now gets BBC HD and ITV1 (limited) will need new
equipment
for the starting CH4 and Five. in HD.
This was from a Digital TV Group spokesman.
So all the other posts on this group about this are now official to Joe
Public.
Regards
David

wait, what?

Last month I bought a nice new 42inch panasonic plasma. It has freeview
and freesat built-in. It's updateable via internet (it has an ethernet
port). It's HD with all the trimmings. This isn't some discounted piece
of equipment that's been sitting in a warehouse. Panasonic still make
this model, it's in production right now.

Here it is: http://tinyurl.com/yf8t5lj

Are you telling me that its freeviewHD is now obsolete? Does this also
apply to freesat?



Well you couldn't say that it's obsolete as it will still do all that it
does at the moment, but I do agree with the thrust of your argument and
would say that the vast majority of the public would make the same
assumption as you have done. I wouldn't give up hope though. Your set
obviously has the processing power required to decode HD signals - all be it
just from Sat and the iplayer at present. It may well be that Pana have
thought ahead and allowed internal signal routes to allow Freeview HD to be
decoded as well - lets hope so

On the other hand it would be impossible for Pana to design a product that
guarantees to decode a signal that was unavailable; probably not yet
finalised in specification; and maybe not even conceived as a service
(though the concept of HD over Freeview had been tested some time ago the
spec has moved considerably since then) when they started the design of
their equipment. And, in any case, if you really need to get Freeview HD,
even though you have the channels already available on Satellite, you are
definitely able to use an external box.

--

Paul S

On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:17:54 +0000 (UTC), "comp.john"
wrote:

On 2009-12-05, Dr Zoidberg wrote:

Nobody has claimed that a HD ready TV with built in freeview tuner will
receive HD Freeview transmissions.

Do you not think it is reasonable to expect a HD-compatible TV that
comes with its own tuner, that its tuner will be HD-compatible?

No, not necessarily. A TV is not solely for viewing material from
broadcast sources via its builtin tuner(s). It is for viewing material
from other sources that may be HD.


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

On 2009-12-07, Andy Burns wrote:

HD-Ready is a marketing term defined as being ready to DISPLAY, rather
than to RECEIVE a HD signal.

http://www.hdready.org.uk/

To the man in the street, one would imply the other, because you need to
receive the signals in order to display a picture, unless explicitly
stated otherwise.

I mean, if I buy a 'car', it's implied that it has a 'transmission
system' unless otherwise stated. If I buy a HD-ready television set it
should be able to receive and display HD signals. I would agree with you
if it was a HD display panel rather than HD television set, because a
display panel does not imply signal reception. A television set does.

My ire is not directed at you. It's directed at this descriptive
chicanery that seems to have been allowed to develop by the industry.
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comp.john

On 2009-12-07, Paul S PAULatSONIFEXdotCOdotUK wrote:

Well you couldn't say that it's obsolete as it will still do all that it
does at the moment, but I do agree with the thrust of your argument and
would say that the vast majority of the public would make the same
assumption as you have done. I wouldn't give up hope though. Your set
obviously has the processing power required to decode HD signals - all be it
just from Sat and the iplayer at present. It may well be that Pana have
thought ahead and allowed internal signal routes to allow Freeview HD to be
decoded as well - lets hope so

That's the reason I made sure to get one updateable via software. I hope
the changes aren't so severe that they require a hardware update as
well.

Sod it, i'll get a freesat dish and have HD right now. Let's hope they
don't change the standard on that in a months time. grrrrr!

--
comp.john

"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:17:54 +0000 (UTC), "comp.john"
wrote:

On 2009-12-05, Dr Zoidberg wrote:

Nobody has claimed that a HD ready TV with built in freeview tuner will
receive HD Freeview transmissions.

Do you not think it is reasonable to expect a HD-compatible TV that
comes with its own tuner, that its tuner will be HD-compatible?

No, not necessarily. A TV is not solely for viewing material from
broadcast sources via its builtin tuner(s). It is for viewing material
from other sources that may be HD.


--

But it's not an "HD ready TV", it's an SD upscaling TV with a display
capable of showing external HD inputs. Maybe more of a mouthful but at least
essentially truthful.

Of course in comp.john's case he does actually have an HD ready TV - it's
just that the limitations of the HD'ness are not clear.
--

Paul S