You will need new equipment for HD TV, what you got is no good.

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
Roger R wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
Do not buy a new TV, do not be taken in by the digital Tick on box or
set
on a HD TV set.
BBC just annouced on the BBC News programme Click new equipment will be
needed for BBC HD, ITV, Ch4 and Five in HD next year
My new TV which now gets BBC HD and ITV1 (limited) will need new
equipment
for the starting CH4 and Five. in HD.

I don't think it will.
You will be able to get them on your new Freesat TV from satellite just
as
you are getting BBC HD and ITV HD now.

Until C4 and Five find themselves transponder space on Astra 2D for their
HD channels, they will be unable to broadcast FTA on satellite. I can't
see any space on 2D currently, or being available any time soon ?


Thanks, I didn't realise transponder space was so tight. So the OP is to be
dissapointed after all.

However I find satellite TV is a fast changing world and I wouldn't rule
anything out for the future.

Roger R

Mark Carver wrote:
Roger R wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
Do not buy a new TV, do not be taken in by the digital Tick on box or
set on a HD TV set.
BBC just annouced on the BBC News programme Click new equipment will be
needed for BBC HD, ITV, Ch4 and Five in HD next year
My new TV which now gets BBC HD and ITV1 (limited) will need new
equipment for the starting CH4 and Five. in HD.

I don't think it will.
You will be able to get them on your new Freesat TV from satellite just
as you are getting BBC HD and ITV HD now.

Until C4 and Five find themselves transponder space on Astra 2D for their
HD channels, they will be unable to broadcast FTA on satellite. I can't
see any space on 2D currently, or being available any time soon ?

Couldn't the extra space be obtained by dumping all the +1 channels? There
are 6 Channel 4 +1 channels on 10729V alone. Add to that E4 +1, More 4 +1,
and Film 4 +1 channels. Couldn't we squeeze an HD channel out of that?

--
Jeff

On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:17:24 -0000, "Jeff Layman"
wrote:

Mark Carver wrote:
Roger R wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
Do not buy a new TV, do not be taken in by the digital Tick on box or
set on a HD TV set.
BBC just annouced on the BBC News programme Click new equipment will be
needed for BBC HD, ITV, Ch4 and Five in HD next year
My new TV which now gets BBC HD and ITV1 (limited) will need new
equipment for the starting CH4 and Five. in HD.

I don't think it will.
You will be able to get them on your new Freesat TV from satellite just
as you are getting BBC HD and ITV HD now.

Until C4 and Five find themselves transponder space on Astra 2D for their
HD channels, they will be unable to broadcast FTA on satellite. I can't
see any space on 2D currently, or being available any time soon ?

Couldn't the extra space be obtained by dumping all the +1 channels? There
are 6 Channel 4 +1 channels on 10729V alone. Add to that E4 +1, More 4 +1,
and Film 4 +1 channels. Couldn't we squeeze an HD channel out of that?

The +1 channels earn money from advertisers. Unless an C4 HD channel
managed to earn more than the +1 channels do at the moment the idea is a
non-starter.


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Peter Duncanson wrote:

On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:17:24 -0000, "Jeff Layman"
wrote:

Mark Carver wrote:
Roger R wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
Do not buy a new TV, do not be taken in by the digital Tick on box or
set on a HD TV set.
BBC just annouced on the BBC News programme Click new equipment will
be needed for BBC HD, ITV, Ch4 and Five in HD next year
My new TV which now gets BBC HD and ITV1 (limited) will need new
equipment for the starting CH4 and Five. in HD.

I don't think it will.
You will be able to get them on your new Freesat TV from satellite just
as you are getting BBC HD and ITV HD now.

Until C4 and Five find themselves transponder space on Astra 2D for
their HD channels, they will be unable to broadcast FTA on satellite. I
can't see any space on 2D currently, or being available any time soon ?

Couldn't the extra space be obtained by dumping all the +1 channels?
There
are 6 Channel 4 +1 channels on 10729V alone. Add to that E4 +1, More 4
+1,
and Film 4 +1 channels. Couldn't we squeeze an HD channel out of that?

The +1 channels earn money from advertisers. Unless an C4 HD channel
managed to earn more than the +1 channels do at the moment the idea is a
non-starter.

There is nothing stopping them moving a few channels about, move the HD ones
to a small footprint transponder and sending it all out as DVB-S2. Well,
nothing except for their attitude.

--
http://www.mailtrap.org.uk/

Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:17:24 -0000, "Jeff Layman"
wrote:

Mark Carver wrote:
Roger R wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
Do not buy a new TV, do not be taken in by the digital Tick on box or
set on a HD TV set.
BBC just annouced on the BBC News programme Click new equipment will be
needed for BBC HD, ITV, Ch4 and Five in HD next year
My new TV which now gets BBC HD and ITV1 (limited) will need new
equipment for the starting CH4 and Five. in HD.
I don't think it will.
You will be able to get them on your new Freesat TV from satellite just
as you are getting BBC HD and ITV HD now.
Until C4 and Five find themselves transponder space on Astra 2D for their
HD channels, they will be unable to broadcast FTA on satellite. I can't
see any space on 2D currently, or being available any time soon ?
Couldn't the extra space be obtained by dumping all the +1 channels? There
are 6 Channel 4 +1 channels on 10729V alone. Add to that E4 +1, More 4 +1,
and Film 4 +1 channels. Couldn't we squeeze an HD channel out of that?

The +1 channels earn money from advertisers. Unless an C4 HD channel
managed to earn more than the +1 channels do at the moment the idea is a
non-starter.

I'd have thought that as PVRs become more popular , there will be less
demand for +1 channels and less advertising revenue as a result.

--
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger, then I hide until it goes away"

Bob Goddard wrote:

Couldn't the extra space be obtained by dumping all the +1 channels?
There
are 6 Channel 4 +1 channels on 10729V alone. Add to that E4 +1, More 4
+1,
and Film 4 +1 channels. Couldn't we squeeze an HD channel out of that?
The +1 channels earn money from advertisers. Unless an C4 HD channel
managed to earn more than the +1 channels do at the moment the idea is a
non-starter.

There is nothing stopping them moving a few channels about, move the HD ones
to a small footprint transponder and sending it all out as DVB-S2. Well,
nothing except for their attitude.

Except using DVB-S2 for any of the SD channels, would render them unwatchable
on any pre 2006(ish) Sky Box, of which there are millions in use.

I'd suggest moving all C4+1s but the London channel to a wide beam, and FTV
encrypting them. FTA viewers everywhere would still be able to access C4+1
albeit at 9** in the EPG. Then there would be space for C4 HD on narrow beam.

That's what a PSB broadcaster, like C4 pretend to be, should behave.

http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk

"Mike Henry" wrote in message
...
In , "Roger R"
wrote:
However I find satellite TV is a fast changing world and I wouldn't rule
anything out for the future.

Design, manufacturing and launching plans of the satellites themselves are
very much not a fast changing world; the lead time is something like a
decade!

The satellites act as pretty (well very really) dumb transponders that
downshift the uplink signal into the downlink in the Ku band.

The frequency arrangements in the satellites and the alternating polarity
(reversed in adjacent satellites) has been pretty much fixed for over two
decades.

What has changed is what the signal is in an individual [physical] channel -
these have been analogue, DMAC / D2MAC and now digital with differing
structures (MPEG2, MPEG4 etc.).

On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 09:16:55 +0000, Dr Zoidberg
wrote:

Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:17:24 -0000, "Jeff Layman"
wrote:

Mark Carver wrote:
Roger R wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
Do not buy a new TV, do not be taken in by the digital Tick on box or
set on a HD TV set.
BBC just annouced on the BBC News programme Click new equipment will be
needed for BBC HD, ITV, Ch4 and Five in HD next year
My new TV which now gets BBC HD and ITV1 (limited) will need new
equipment for the starting CH4 and Five. in HD.
I don't think it will.
You will be able to get them on your new Freesat TV from satellite just
as you are getting BBC HD and ITV HD now.
Until C4 and Five find themselves transponder space on Astra 2D for their
HD channels, they will be unable to broadcast FTA on satellite. I can't
see any space on 2D currently, or being available any time soon ?
Couldn't the extra space be obtained by dumping all the +1 channels? There
are 6 Channel 4 +1 channels on 10729V alone. Add to that E4 +1, More 4 +1,
and Film 4 +1 channels. Couldn't we squeeze an HD channel out of that?

The +1 channels earn money from advertisers. Unless an C4 HD channel
managed to earn more than the +1 channels do at the moment the idea is a
non-starter.

I'd have thought that as PVRs become more popular , there will be less
demand for +1 channels and less advertising revenue as a result.

That's true. However, the broadcasters will wish to hang on to as much
advertising income as they can get. I haven't seen any figures but I
suspect that many (most?) viewers watching PVR time-shifted stuff skip
the adverts. People who don't watch the adverts will not buy the
advertised products. Advertisers will be prepared to pay only as much as
is justified by the sales generated by the ads. If sales go done because
of PVRs advertisers will not be prepared to pay as much for their slots.

To viewers PVRs are the best thing since sliced bread. To advertising
supported broadcasters PVRs are the worst thing since the Black Death.


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

On 06/12/09 14:11, Peter Duncanson wrote:

People who don't watch the adverts will not buy the
advertised products.

Bzzzt!

On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:13:54 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

On 06/12/09 14:11, Peter Duncanson wrote:

People who don't watch the adverts will not buy the
advertised products.

Bzzzt!

I know! I did realise, too late, that I could have lengthened the
sentence to make it more precise.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)