Letter to local press

"Mikeapollo" wrote in message
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jamie powell wrote:

[nothing important]

Life goes /so/ much smoother if you live and let live Jamie.

Does this "rule" apply to Bill 'Pikey Gob****e' Wright as well?
nah, thought not.

jamie powell wrote:


"Mikeapollo" wrote in message
o.uk...
jamie powell wrote:

[nothing important]

Life goes /so/ much smoother if you live and let live Jamie.

Does this "rule" apply to Bill 'Pikey Gob****e' Wright as well?
nah, thought not.

It's not a rule... It's an observation and it applies to anyone who wishes
to adopt it.

RE. Paras - at least Bill et al are trying to do something useful whereas
all you tend to do is criticise their efforts.

You get peoples backs up, which invokes people to attack you - then you act
as the victim. Why not try to be helpful, nice, polite rather than inciting
and provoking responses?

"Mikeapollo" wrote in message
...


It's not a rule... It's an observation and it applies to anyone who wishes
to adopt it.

So you're a "Do as I say - don't do as I do" person then.


RE. Paras - at least Bill et al are trying to do something useful whereas
all you tend to do is criticise their efforts.

I contribute more to this NG than the minority who try to criticise me ever
do.
Bill's only interested in bigging himself up.


You get peoples backs up, which invokes people to attack you - then you
act
as the victim. Why not try to be helpful, nice, polite rather than
inciting
and provoking responses?

iirc, you have, by your own admission, recently been receiving treatment
from a
"head doctor" - I really don't think a person like you should be giving
advice
to others with regard to their interpersonal skills.

However, if you want to make a positive contribution, you could try and help
"Nemo" the escaped mental patient find his way "home" ("home" for him
being Broadmoor, I don't doubt).

jamie powell wrote:


"Mikeapollo" wrote in message
...


It's not a rule... It's an observation and it applies to anyone who
wishes to adopt it.

So you're a "Do as I say - don't do as I do" person then.

Err.. Re-read my statement.

RE. Paras - at least Bill et al are trying to do something useful whereas
all you tend to do is criticise their efforts.

I contribute more to this NG than the minority who try to criticise me
ever do.

Jamie - That's because you attack people, who reply and then a whole thread
turns into a mish-mash exchange of insults. That is not contributing to a
conversation - it's actually disrupting it.

In sheer number of posts you win hands down - however, your true
contributions are minor compared to the many, many people who have been here
long before your posting ever started. I noticed too over the last few
months you've started ****ing people off on web based forums too...

Bill's only interested in bigging himself up.

And you're not? If you feel that's the case why do you feel compelled to
reply to him? Why not let him get on with it and ignore him the same way you
keep saying you do - but then get involved in a ****ing contest of insults?

iirc, you have, by your own admission, recently been receiving treatment
from a
"head doctor" - I really don't think a person like you should be giving
advice
to others with regard to their interpersonal skills.

Well, I've not said that on the NG - but it's also not a secret that I've
had to see a psycologist and go into hospital for an a couple of
operations... maybe you should try having a life changing event - changes
your perspective on things. As does post traumatic stress and then severe
depression.

Maybe the events of your past are the reason you feel so under attack -
guilty even. Maybe they're the reason you shroud yourself in the big image?
To try and hide the fact that you still hurt inside from events in your
past.

* Do the past events in your life haunt you Jamie?

* Do the events that happened with your "friend" replay in your mind?

* Do you feel that you could have done more at the time and now regret it so
you take your anger out on the rest of the world?

* Is this why you feel everyone is either out to attack you personally?

* Is this why you can't remain in a thread without ignoring things that you
consider are below you and therefore have to go into attack mode ?

Funny how your attitude in real life won't be anything like your web
personality - although if it did, you'd probably be missing a few teeth by
now at best...

"Mikeapollo" wrote in message
o.uk...
jamie powell wrote:


"Mikeapollo" wrote in message
...


It's not a rule... It's an observation and it applies to anyone
who
wishes to adopt it.

So you're a "Do as I say - don't do as I do" person then.

Err.. Re-read my statement.

No need to.
Re-evaluate your behaviour - if you truly want "life to go smoothly",
then by your own logic you need to live and let live.
So you'll need to shut up and let me have the last word!




I contribute more to this NG than the minority who try to criticise
me
ever do.

Jamie - That's because you attack people, who reply and then a whole
thread
turns into a mish-mash exchange of insults. That is not contributing
to a
conversation - it's actually disrupting it.

rubbish. You're interpreting events in an unreasonable way when
following me in threads.




In sheer number of posts you win hands down - however, your true
contributions are minor compared to the many, many people who have
been here
long before your posting ever started. I noticed too over the last
few
months you've started ****ing people off on web based forums too...

I've been posting here a lot longer than you think.
I seldom post on web-based forums under my real name, which means
there's scant opportunity for people like you to stalk me.




Bill's only interested in bigging himself up.

And you're not? If you feel that's the case why do you feel
compelled to
reply to him? Why not let him get on with it and ignore him the same
way you
keep saying you do - but then get involved in a ****ing contest of
insults?

Why do you care?
Pikey insults first in most cases anyway.




Well, I've not said that on the NG - but it's also not a secret that
I've
had to see a psycologist and go into hospital for an a couple of
operations... maybe you should try having a life changing event -
changes
your perspective on things. As does post traumatic stress and then
severe
depression.


I've had a hard life, as you'd know if you were genuinely interested
in me. Hard times build true character and inner strength, which is
more than most of the people in this group will ever possess.
Money is the only security I've had, and it's highly over-rated.




Maybe the events of your past are the reason you feel so under
attack - guilty even.

err... You're in cloud cuckoo land there. I've never said that, nor do
I believe it to be so.



Maybe they're the reason you shroud yourself in the big image?

Big image?? what constitutes a "big image" in your eyes?
I'm a fairly ordinary person, and don't claim to be anything more.



To try and hide the fact that you still hurt inside from events in
your
past.

Oh great - another head "patient", inappropriately and
unprofessionally parroting what his own psychiatrist has said to him
in the course of treatment, in order to try and "analyse" a 3rd
party's behaviour, even though he lacks both the training and the
mental stability required to do so, and is only attempting it as a way
of desperately trying to offload some of the stigma he himself feels
tarred with onto somebody else.



* Do the past events in your life haunt you Jamie?

Rarely, except for the one mentioned below.



* Do the events that happened with your "friend" replay in your
mind?

Why have you written friend in quotation marks?
My best friend was ostracised and later convicted by the rest of the
group as a result of his support for my coming out in school - this
*does* haunt be.
I feel responsible for ruining his life, because I could easily have
kept my sexuality secret until the day I finished school and ran away
from home, and none of it would have ever happened.
I think it's perfectly normal for me to feel bad about this, so **what
is your point**?




* Do you feel that you could have done more at the time and now
regret it so
you take your anger out on the rest of the world?

No. I'm a very gentle person - I seldom get angry, but I can get
upset.
However, only thick, insecure and/or unstable people allow their anger
regarding one issue to 'leak' into other aspects of their life.
I take a more professional approach to things; one might even say I
have a stiff upper lip (attribute this solely to my upper-middle-class
upbringing if you wish).



* Is this why you feel everyone is either out to attack you
personally?

err... You're in cloud cuckoo land again there. I've never said that,
nor do I believe it to be so.



* Is this why you can't remain in a thread without ignoring things
that you
consider are below you and therefore have to go into attack mode ?

Once again, you're interpreting events in an unreasonable way when
following me in threads. Perhaps more treatment sessions are needed?



Funny how your attitude in real life won't be anything like your web
personality - although if it did, you'd probably be missing a few
teeth by
now at best...

Unlike usenet, I'm surrounded in real life by people whom I love
and/or respect.
If I met the likes of you or Bill in real life I'd give them a piece
of my mind just the same, and you'd never catch me to deliver your
violence

jamie powell wrote:

So you'll need to shut up and let me have the last word!

If you so wish...

I contribute more to this NG than the minority who try to criticise
me
ever do.

Jamie - That's because you attack people, who reply and then a whole
thread
turns into a mish-mash exchange of insults. That is not contributing
to a
conversation - it's actually disrupting it.

rubbish. You're interpreting events in an unreasonable way when
following me in threads.

I'm not following you in threads - You are in virtually every live thread in
the uk.tech.* group!

Bill's only interested in bigging himself up.

And you're not? If you feel that's the case why do you feel
compelled to
reply to him? Why not let him get on with it and ignore him the same
way you
keep saying you do - but then get involved in a ****ing contest of
insults?

Why do you care?
Pikey insults first in most cases anyway.

I couldn't give two ****s except that you end up turning a thread on a
sensible topic usually into an insult exchange.

I've had a hard life, as you'd know if you were genuinely interested
in me.

I don't doubt it - that does come across...

Hard times build true character and inner strength,

Agreed,

Money is the only security I've had, and it's highly over-rated.

I'm glad you have a security - Totally agree about it being overrated.

Maybe the events of your past are the reason you feel so under
attack - guilty even.

err... You're in cloud cuckoo land there. I've never said that, nor do
I believe it to be so.

It was an open question - not a cloud cuckoo land statement.

Maybe they're the reason you shroud yourself in the big image?

Big image?? what constitutes a "big image" in your eyes?
I'm a fairly ordinary person, and don't claim to be anything more.

....apart from in about 20 threads over the past 9 months where you've
entered ****ing contests on education, experience, etc etc...

Oh great - another head "patient", inappropriately and
unprofessionally parroting what his own psychiatrist has said to him
in the course of treatment, in order to try and "analyse" a 3rd
party's behaviour,

Also I'm not a "head patient" any more than you or I are "queer bent
*******s" to half the population. Please be careful with your use of
discriminatory terms as it's possible to find one to use against any person
in any given group.

Using the fact that I was near fatally attacked earlier in the year - which
led to trauma and depression does not make me mad, "sick in the head" or
some kind of nut. Funnily enough - it makes me human.

To try and use that against me is, truely, the lowest of the low and you
know it. Lets just hope it never happens to you eh?

even though he lacks both the training and the
mental stability required to do so, and is only attempting it as a way
of desperately trying to offload some of the stigma he himself feels
tarred with onto somebody else.

I'm perfectly mentally stable thank you very much. In fact, you're the one
that comes across as a little insecure. I'm comfortable with my life but you
come across as being exceptionally insecure at times with only one or two
securities... You've pretty much confirmed that in this post. It's a shame
money is your only security - not friendship, hobbies, other passions...

My best friend was ostracised and later convicted by the rest of the
group as a result of his support for my coming out in school - this
*does* haunt be.
I feel responsible for ruining his life, because I could easily have
kept my sexuality secret until the day I finished school and ran away
from home, and none of it would have ever happened.

But you made a decision and that decision had an impact on someone else.

In the same light - have you thought about how some of your actions, sharp
wit, etc may affect others now?

How would you feel, for example, if one cutting remark you made to someone
on usenet - someone who was not very self confident and felt really low -
then decided to harm themselves as a result of a conflict with you?

You'd just call them (rightly or wrongly) weak willed, mad, whatever... It
would be something you'd have a laugh at.

Take it a step further - what if that was someone who'd had a bad time and
was feeling low because they'd just been in a similar situation to your
friend - and someone with an attitude like yours pushed them over the edge?

What I'm saying, Jamie, is that what is "fun" or "comedy" for your pleasure
might seriously go beyond irritating someone and have a deeper effect.

On that very matter, and although I'm open about it, why publicly post in a
newsgroup that I needed help earlier this year (although carefully missing
the detail that it was a serious assault and that I was being treated for
depression as a result - not "mental problems")

I think it's perfectly normal for me to feel bad about this, so **what
is your point**?

YOU think it's perfectly normal - but how do you know it's perfectly normal?
Have you spoken to others about it?

As for the point - See above.

No. I'm a very gentle person - I seldom get angry, but I can get
upset.

Good. You *are* human then despite how you come across.

However, only thick, insecure and/or unstable people allow their anger
regarding one issue to 'leak' into other aspects of their life.

Something you appear to have done several times in this, and other
newsgroups.

I take a more professional approach to things;

Like hurling insults, belittling people... All extremely professional.

And it's really professional to post a piece of information to a public
forum about someone seeing a "head doctor" without posting the context or
indeed the very reason.

That's almost as professional as a tabloid reporter - which really takes you
to the lowest of the low to try and get one over on someone.

Fortunately, I'm not low enough to remind you in every post that you may
have screwed up someones life for your own cause - On that note - don't try
****ing with my life by misquoting what sort of treatment I was under or why
I was under it.

one might even say I
have a stiff upper lip (attribute this solely to my upper-middle-class
upbringing if you wish).

Or one might just point to several of your posts in the last 2 months and
point out that your stiff-upper-lip is complete bull-****.

A stiff upper lip is being able to ignore what is directed at you and
continue regardless - not get into a slanging match - which is what you
ALWAYS seem to do.

* Is this why you feel everyone is either out to attack you
personally?

err... You're in cloud cuckoo land again there. I've never said that,
nor do I believe it to be so.

Really.. Care for references :


http://groups.google.com/group/uk.te...fda9d77d044772

You ALWAYS feel someone is launching a personal attack on you or at least
use that as a last resort to try and quench something you've started.

* Is this why you can't remain in a thread without ignoring things
that you
consider are below you and therefore have to go into attack mode ?

Once again, you're interpreting events in an unreasonable way when
following me in threads. Perhaps more treatment sessions are needed?

As you went into attack mode on ME in this thread and posted information
which you'd bent into how you wanted it to read for your own purpose?

You're right.. More treatment sessions are needed - preferably for yourself.
Why not call 0161 235 8025 or pop into Princess House - Preferably when I'm
not there. John or Steve will be quite happy to point you in the direction
of a professional to talk about your issues.

Funny how your attitude in real life won't be anything like your web
personality - although if it did, you'd probably be missing a few
teeth by
now at best...

Unlike usenet, I'm surrounded in real life by people whom I love
and/or respect.

Quite.. I'm sure most are. However, your style wins you no friends on
usenet. It has won you little or no respect as it is very hard to take
anything you post seriously. It makes it impossible to engage in a serious
debate with you.

If I met the likes of you or Bill in real life I'd give them a piece
of my mind just the same, and you'd never catch me to deliver your
violence

We've probably crossed paths more than once in real life I bet actually...
Manchester is a very small place at the weekend...

I'd certainly never show violence or indeed get involved in a public
slanging match with anyone.

If you, on the other hand, were to approach me and give me a piece of your
mind (verbal). I'd listen and walk off - it would not bother me in the
slightest and I don't think I'd even raise an eyebrow. (I'd probably buy you
a pint!)

You on the other hand, in that situation, would probably end up in an
argument as you would just have to have the last word and wouldn't know when
to stop.

What I'm thinking more about is you getting yourself in deep **** with that
sharp sarky tongue of yours - especially if you started mouthing off to
strangers and displaying the attitude you show here.

Not everyone in real life is quite as "playful" as the usenet where
everything is safe and 'anonymous'.

"Mikeapollo" wrote in message
o.uk...

I'm not following you in threads - You are in virtually every live thread in
the uk.tech.* group!

********.



I couldn't give two ****s except that you end up turning a thread on a
sensible topic usually into an insult exchange.

Still clinging to your asinine misinterpretation of events then?



I've had a hard life, as you'd know if you were genuinely interested
in me.

I don't doubt it - that does come across...

Hard times build true character and inner strength,

Agreed,

....hence I don't whinge about my petty personal misfortunes.



Money is the only security I've had, and it's highly over-rated.

I'm glad you have a security - Totally agree about it being overrated.

The difference is, mine's real and yours is pretend.



Maybe the events of your past are the reason you feel so under
attack - guilty even.

err... You're in cloud cuckoo land there. I've never said that, nor do
I believe it to be so.

It was an open question - not a cloud cuckoo land statement.

Was too. You wrongly stated that I felt "under attack".



Big image?? what constitutes a "big image" in your eyes?
I'm a fairly ordinary person, and don't claim to be anything more.

...apart from in about 20 threads over the past 9 months where you've
entered ****ing contests on education, experience, etc etc...

I'm not allowed to share my political views?



Also I'm not a "head patient" any more than you or I are "queer bent
*******s" to half the population. Please be careful with your use of
discriminatory terms as it's possible to find one to use against any person
in any given group.

Using the fact that I was near fatally attacked earlier in the year - which
led to trauma and depression does not make me mad, "sick in the head" or
some kind of nut. Funnily enough - it makes me human.

To try and use that against me is, truely, the lowest of the low and you
know it. Lets just hope it never happens to you eh?

I didn't know you'd been attacked, although if it's even true, I suspect whoever
did it had good reasons



I'm perfectly mentally stable thank you very much. In fact, you're the one
that comes across as a little insecure. I'm comfortable with my life but you
come across as being exceptionally insecure at times with only one or two
securities... You've pretty much confirmed that in this post.

As I said earlier, you're not in a position to be giving advice on (nor even
sharing your opinions of) my interpersonal skills, nor anything else relating to
my psyche.
Stick to getting yourself sorted out - I wish you luck.



It's a shame
money is your only security - not friendship, hobbies, other passions...

Money *was* my only security for a long time - thankfully now I have Scott, my
uni friends, and my degree course.
I have hobbies too (one of which is "TV geeking", as you may have noticed).
Hobbies don't bring me "security" though.



But you made a decision and that decision had an impact on someone else.

In the same light - have you thought about how some of your actions, sharp
wit, etc may affect others now?

How would you feel, for example, if one cutting remark you made to someone
on usenet - someone who was not very self confident and felt really low -
then decided to harm themselves as a result of a conflict with you?

You'd just call them (rightly or wrongly) weak willed, mad, whatever... It
would be something you'd have a laugh at.

Take it a step further - what if that was someone who'd had a bad time and
was feeling low because they'd just been in a similar situation to your
friend - and someone with an attitude like yours pushed them over the edge?

What I'm saying, Jamie, is that what is "fun" or "comedy" for your pleasure
might seriously go beyond irritating someone and have a deeper effect.

Yet again you're talking as if this entire group is full of angels who'd never
say a word to offend anyone.
You're interpreting events in an unreasonable way when following me in threads.

I do have empathy (more so than most actually), and if someone were being hurt
or upset by my behaviour, I'd be the first to notice and act accordingly. It's
unfair, offensive and inappropriate for you to presume otherwise.




On that very matter, and although I'm open about it, why publicly post in a
newsgroup that I needed help earlier this year (although carefully missing
the detail that it was a serious assault and that I was being treated for
depression as a result - not "mental problems")

I think it's perfectly normal for me to feel bad about this, so **what
is your point**?

YOU think it's perfectly normal - but how do you know it's perfectly normal?
Have you spoken to others about it?

I trust my own judgement - it's worked very well for me in life thus far, but on
this issue (coming out in high school) I made a mistake.
Basically I'd fallen in love with Scott and it felt like the best thing ever,
and I just got carried away in wanting to tell everyone.
I then found myself being *very* hurt by their reactions of shock and hateful
disgust, even though in normal circumstances, it would have been totally 100%
what I'd have expected, hence why I'd kept my sexuality secret for so long.



However, only thick, insecure and/or unstable people allow their anger
regarding one issue to 'leak' into other aspects of their life.

Something you appear to have done several times in this, and other
newsgroups.

Nope - you're out of your depth here with the whole psychoanalysis thing.



I take a more professional approach to things;

Like hurling insults, belittling people... All extremely professional.

And it's really professional to post a piece of information to a public
forum about someone seeing a "head doctor" without posting the context or
indeed the very reason.

That's almost as professional as a tabloid reporter - which really takes you
to the lowest of the low to try and get one over on someone.

Fortunately, I'm not low enough to remind you in every post that you may
have screwed up someones life for your own cause - On that note - don't try
****ing with my life by misquoting what sort of treatment I was under or why
I was under it.

The emotional pains of my past do *not* influence my behaviour on usenet (even
if they did, this wouldn't mean I had any kind of 'issues' which is what you
seem to be implying).
I feel my behaviour in these groups is entirely appropriate and justified.
You've made very nasty and cutting remarks about me in the past (I've not
forgotten) and so, once again, because I know you already, I chose my responses
toward you in this thread accordingly.





Or one might just point to several of your posts in the last 2 months and
point out that your stiff-upper-lip is complete bull-****.

A stiff upper lip is being able to ignore what is directed at you and
continue regardless - not get into a slanging match - which is what you
ALWAYS seem to do.

********.



* Is this why you feel everyone is either out to attack you
personally?

err... You're in cloud cuckoo land again there. I've never said that,
nor do I believe it to be so.

Really.. Care for references :


http://groups.google.com/group/uk.te...fda9d77d044772


*that's* the best you can find?!?



You ALWAYS feel someone is launching a personal attack on you or at least
use that as a last resort to try and quench something you've started.

Nope - just drop it already. You sound stupid.



As you went into attack mode on ME in this thread and posted information
which you'd bent into how you wanted it to read for your own purpose?

You're paranoid.



You're right.. More treatment sessions are needed - preferably for yourself.
Why not call 0161 235 8025 or pop into Princess House - Preferably when I'm
not there. John or Steve will be quite happy to point you in the direction
of a professional to talk about your issues.

You're the one with issues.



Unlike usenet, I'm surrounded in real life by people whom I love
and/or respect.

Quite.. I'm sure most are. However, your style wins you no friends on
usenet. It has won you little or no respect as it is very hard to take
anything you post seriously. It makes it impossible to engage in a serious
debate with you.

You're interpreting events in an unreasonable way when following me in threads.



If I met the likes of you or Bill in real life I'd give them a piece
of my mind just the same, and you'd never catch me to deliver your
violence

We've probably crossed paths more than once in real life I bet actually...
Manchester is a very small place at the weekend...

Possibly, although you probs don't know what I look like?



I'd certainly never show violence or indeed get involved in a public
slanging match with anyone.

If you, on the other hand, were to approach me and give me a piece of your
mind (verbal). I'd listen and walk off - it would not bother me in the
slightest and I don't think I'd even raise an eyebrow. (I'd probably buy you
a pint!)

I don't 'do' pints :-)
I usually drink wine when we're out, or cocktails, and occasionally WKD or
something. *hangs head in shame*.



You on the other hand, in that situation, would probably end up in an
argument as you would just have to have the last word and wouldn't know when
to stop.

What I'm thinking more about is you getting yourself in deep **** with that
sharp sarky tongue of yours - especially if you started mouthing off to
strangers and displaying the attitude you show here.

Not everyone in real life is quite as "playful" as the usenet where
everything is safe and 'anonymous'.

Don't worry about that - I'm streetwise. I can look after myself in the city,
without getting near-fatally attacked or anything, and have done for several
years now.

You've posted this twice by mistake. See my response to it elsewhere in the
thread.

Well Mikeapollo, having read your latest responses in full (and indeed all the
bile you've spewed in this thread), I'm truly heartbroken to find that your
psychiatrist isn't doing a very good job at all - that is very sad news.

If anything, you seem worse than you were during your last little run on these
groups, earlier this year.

There are only two people on uk.tech.digital-tv whom I'd ever describe as having
mental health issues - you, and "Nemo".
You both have a totally warped view of events, to the point where you both
appear to be living in your own fantasy lands.

In the case of "Nemo", his motives are sinister, relating of course to his
abnormal interest in suicide.

In your case, I don't believe there to be sinister motives at work, and this is
a good thing for you, because it means the extreme-yet-ineffectual stalking
behaviour you've displayed towards me in recent posts will not be acted upon.

Indeed, I feel nothing but sympathy and sadness for you, not least because, like
"Nemo's" typical posts, everything you've written about me is merely the product
of your own ill mind, which is why you haven't been able to back any of it up
with real evidence, and yet you don't seem able to realise this.

I can understand your feelings of bitterness towards me - a rich, young gay guy,
"living the dream" when so many others couldn't, but I suggest you try and
exercise a bit of self-control with your posts in future. You're just making
yourself look nutty, and attracting the attentions of an escaped mental patient
("Nemo") in the process.

In article ,
says...

jamie powell wrote:


Mike,

I and, I am sure, a great many others have exercised great restraint
from responding to Jamie's posts and made the obvious choice.

As any useful input he makes to these groups is so small, when compared
to his manic raving and abuse, I'm sure most people kill-filed him long
ago.

But, by taking the bait and repeatedly responding to his demented
behaviour, you are giving him the great satisfaction of having his rants
broadcast to everbody who doesn't want to hear from him, ever again!

One up to clever Jamie!

Nil point for you, though Mike.

I don't know how many kill-files you've joined in the last couple of
days of to-and-fro rants and counter-rants but I can assure you that you
and Jamie will share quite a few more if you do not desist from
responding to Jamie's twisted taunts exceedingly quickly.

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Terry