Are we allowed...

...to criticise work carried out by others if WE have never tried doing that
work ourselves.

I would not comment on how to change a car engine if I had never tried it
myself. There may be things done to satisfy, time and money, yet are safe
and successful. Yes they may not have been performed 100% but they have
suited the purpose.

I have done things in the most expert way, rubber boots and SA tape as per
my latest LNB failure, yet it still failed for reasons beyond my
comprehension.

So I am only asking a simple Q, should we be judge, jury and executioner.

Only a straight forward and simple question.

Jef Roe wrote:

..to criticise work carried out by others if WE have never tried doing
that work ourselves.

Depends... If you've never put a twig up on a house, but paid someone to do
so on your behalf, then about 2 days later you found that twig had fallen
off and swung into your front room window by the co-ax - would you criticise
the installers workmanship even though you'd never installed a twig
yourself?

ie. wouldn't you say it was crap materials and/or workmanship not worth the
money?? (and then sue for a new front room window?)

So yes, I think it's fair to criticise if it's clear a job is badly done
either by evidence or description of practise involved in the job.

Not to mention every single job will be slightly different...

Just my opinion of course...

Cheers,
Mike

Jef Roe wrote:
..to criticise work carried out by others if WE have never tried doing that
work ourselves.

I would not comment on how to change a car engine if I had never tried it
myself. There may be things done to satisfy, time and money, yet are safe
and successful. Yes they may not have been performed 100% but they have
suited the purpose.

I have done things in the most expert way, rubber boots and SA tape as per
my latest LNB failure, yet it still failed for reasons beyond my
comprehension.

So I am only asking a simple Q, should we be judge, jury and executioner.

Only a straight forward and simple question.



Stop digging yourself into an even bigger hole. You are beginning to
look ridiculous !

Andy C

Jef Roe wrote:
..to criticise work carried out by others if WE have never tried doing
that work ourselves.

I would not comment on how to change a car engine if I had never tried it
myself. There may be things done to satisfy, time and money, yet are safe
and successful. Yes they may not have been performed 100% but they have
suited the purpose.

I have done things in the most expert way, rubber boots and SA tape as per
my latest LNB failure, yet it still failed for reasons beyond my
comprehension.

So I am only asking a simple Q, should we be judge, jury and executioner.

Only a straight forward and simple question.

If you pay for something to be done properly, it should be done properly.

If your car engine falls out because the mounting bolts haven't been
tightened enough, I think you are entitled to complain, even though the term
"torque" may mean absolutely nothing to you.

The problem with shoddy workmanship is that it is often hidden. What if the
satellite dish criticised by Bill had come loose in a gale due to
insufficient mounting bolts and injured someone? Would you simply blame the
high winds? Or would you look round and note that none of the other dishes
had come down, and wonder why that one had?

--
Jeff

"Andy Cap" wrote in message
o.uk...
Jef Roe wrote:
..to criticise work carried out by others if WE have never tried doing
that work ourselves.

I would not comment on how to change a car engine if I had never tried it
myself. There may be things done to satisfy, time and money, yet are safe
and successful. Yes they may not have been performed 100% but they have
suited the purpose.

I have done things in the most expert way, rubber boots and SA tape as
per my latest LNB failure, yet it still failed for reasons beyond my
comprehension.

So I am only asking a simple Q, should we be judge, jury and executioner.

Only a straight forward and simple question.

Stop digging yourself into an even bigger hole. You are beginning to look
ridiculous !

Andy C

like you in that cap you mean...

Jef Roe wrote:
..to criticise work carried out by others if WE have never tried
doing that work ourselves.

I would not comment on how to change a car engine if I had never
tried it myself. There may be things done to satisfy, time and money,
yet are safe and successful. Yes they may not have been performed
100% but they have suited the purpose.

I have done things in the most expert way, rubber boots and SA tape
as per my latest LNB failure, yet it still failed for reasons beyond
my comprehension.

So I am only asking a simple Q, should we be judge, jury and
executioner.
Only a straight forward and simple question.

If someone replaced a car engine so baly that it would be obvious to a
child then of course anyone would have a right to criticise.
--
^..^ This is Kitty. Copy and paste Kitty into your signature to help
her wipe out Bunny's world domination.

"Jef Roe" wrote in message
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..to criticise work carried out by others if WE have never tried doing
that work ourselves.


Yes, because work must be to a standard that is acceptable.

I would not comment on how to change a car engine if I had never tried it
myself. There may be things done to satisfy, time and money, yet are safe
and successful. Yes they may not have been performed 100% but they have
suited the purpose.


They are not suitable if they have not been performed 100% as they should,
that is when something becomes unacceptable. Cost cutting or substandard
work is not acceptable.


I have done things in the most expert way, rubber boots and SA tape as per
my latest LNB failure, yet it still failed for reasons beyond my
comprehension.


You didn't do it correctly then or it would not have failed! If the LNB
failed
then no amount of tape or rubber boots would stop certain types of failure.
Look at the exact cause of failure - that will tell you why something
failed.
Just because you don't understand why something has happened doesn't mean
it couldn't happen. Servicing a car regularly will not stop engine
component
failure for example. An object on the road could fly up, break the oil sump
and completely ruin the engine. Saying, "I changed the oil regularly so I
don't
understand why the engine broke" is a bit silly.


So I am only asking a simple Q, should we be judge, jury and executioner.


For your own work or someone elses? You are not being specific enough.

Only a straight forward and simple question.

It isn't because you are showing how muddled up your mind and thought
process is, you have asked a question in a particular way to get the answer
that might suit you. That will no doubt lead to many other silly posts
asking
other silly questions.

Think about what it is you are asking and why anyone else would know
whether what you did was correct or wether it led directly to something
later failing.

In message , Jef Roe
writes
..to criticise work carried out by others if WE have never tried doing that
work ourselves.
Yes, now stop digging before it gets so deep you can't climb out.
--
Clint Sharp

"Jef Roe" wrote in message
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..to criticise work carried out by others if WE have never tried doing
that work ourselves.

Yes.

Further, if you disagree can you indicate a law which specifically prohibits
this?

Are you perhaps asking "Are we morally justified..."?

In which case I should point out that this is Usenet where anything goes and
despite this nobody dies.

Oh, and are we allowed to start and participate in 'flame wars'?

Please see above.

On 29-Nov-2009, "Jef Roe" wrote:

..to criticise work carried out by others if WE have never tried doing
that
work ourselves.

Of course. You don't have to be a chef to criticise the chips.

Bill