TIVO TX20: NEBIE- Can you get Digital channels or just analog withantenna?

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:22:03 -0500, Peter Pan wrote:

"lbbss" wrote in message
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What about hooking up my plasma tv to the tivo and getting the tv
signal that way (antenna connects to tv, from tv out to tivo). Can
the tivo accepts a digital signal and convert it to std def for
recording purpose?

you have a friggen plasma tv, but ONLY use it for Over The Air Stuff? no
box (cable, sat, even converter for the hundreds more hd channels) why
do you insist on using rf?

Maybe because that's how you hook up an antenna to a TV, and it's a free
HDTV source. I get 56 channels here free. Out of them I only actually
record from about 12 of them. But from just those I record about 10-12
hours a day. More than I could watch without a DVR.



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On 2009-11-26, Peter Pan wrote:


"lbbss" wrote in message
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What about hooking up my plasma tv to the tivo and getting the tv
signal that way (antenna connects to tv, from tv out to tivo). Can
the tivo accepts a digital signal and convert it to std def for
recording purpose?




you have a friggen plasma tv, but ONLY use it for Over The Air Stuff? no box
(cable, sat, even converter for the hundreds more hd channels)
why do you insist on using rf?

Much better signal quality.

Assuming he's got a nice strong signal coming from his antenna, he's going
to get a much better result from his over the air channels. They are going
to be at full/original resolution and not downgraded. Cable companies love
to re-compress the signals they redistribute. It lets them shove more of
them onto whatever bandwidth they have.

Most of what's on "cable" is not going to showcase what an HD plasma TV can do.

Quite a bit of the "need" for HD with cable is artificially generated by crap SD signals.

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How can I test the unit to see if it works. The girl selling it,
knows nothing about technical stuff. If she has cable or satellite
tv, can I connect it with it from the cable to the tivo, and from the
tivo to the tv both with a coax cable? What do I do after that, just
plug the power and see if a menu comes up. Then it likely is ok?
She said it work when her ex last used it, but selling it as is, feel
free to test it out. Any advise on how to do a bare minimum test?
Thanks.

lbbss writes:
How can I test the unit to see if it works. The girl selling it,
knows nothing about technical stuff. If she has cable or satellite
tv, can I connect it with it from the cable to the tivo, and from the
tivo to the tv both with a coax cable? What do I do after that, just
plug the power and see if a menu comes up. Then it likely is ok?
She said it work when her ex last used it, but selling it as is, feel
free to test it out. Any advise on how to do a bare minimum test?

Yes, just booting it up and making sure you see it boot and can get to
the menu and/or watch live video through it should be test enough.

The only other thing would see if it crashes over time, but if it
boots up, it should be working well enough for you.

In article , Wes Newell wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:44:54 -0800, lbbss wrote:

thanks for that info. Yes, that is a toshiba rs-tx20. I am still not
clear on how you get the free subscription, by way of an antenna, it has
to get to you somehow? Or does a subscription not mean tv channels,
but more of a tv guide, but not the actual tv program. When you have a
cable subscription, it comes to you through a physical cable wire to
your house. So how do you get the tivo free subscription? I do have
a external tuner box, that can convert to std def. and the Tivo tv
guide, I don't care about. I just want free channels. This person is
selling it for $30, but she does not know how they work, so I can't as
here about it. thanks again.

Don't waste your time with this. There are a few commercial HDTV (OTA
ATSC 8VSB) recorders available that you can buy. I haven't looked at any
lately as I use a PC with 3 dual ATSC tuners in it that allows me to
record up to 30 shows at once (although I've never recorded more than 6).
Guide data is sent with each digital broadcast, so there's really no need
to subscribe to any guide data (although I pay $20 a year for a 14 day
guide service). There are lots of options for ATSC recorders, but the
best by far is to use a PC. It's cheaper and much more versatile.



How are 6 tuners getting you 30 recordable channels at once?

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:49:03 +0000, GMAN wrote:

How are 6 tuners getting you 30 recordable channels at once?

Each tuner receives the full bandwidth of each channel. So, with one
tuner, you can record up to 5 sub-channels since all five are in the same
bandwidth. If Tivo had a lick of sense, they would have incorporated this
into their recorders like the software I use does. Maybe they'll come out
with a software upgrade for it if you ask, but I doubt it. Like I said, I
don't use this feature since in my area all the networks have their own
stations, but in other areas stations broadcast more than one major
network. Southern OK is a good example where one station broadcast 3
major networks and another broadcast 2. Two tuners could record all 5 at
once. There are many stations that broadcast 5 sub-channels, and 2 tuners
could record all 10 at once. Just one more reason, besides cost, not to
use a Tivo-HD for OTA.

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On 2009-11-27, GMAN wrote:
In article , Wes Newell wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:44:54 -0800, lbbss wrote:

thanks for that info. Yes, that is a toshiba rs-tx20. I am still not
clear on how you get the free subscription, by way of an antenna, it has
to get to you somehow? Or does a subscription not mean tv channels,
but more of a tv guide, but not the actual tv program. When you have a
cable subscription, it comes to you through a physical cable wire to
your house. So how do you get the tivo free subscription? I do have
a external tuner box, that can convert to std def. and the Tivo tv
guide, I don't care about. I just want free channels. This person is
selling it for $30, but she does not know how they work, so I can't as
here about it. thanks again.

Don't waste your time with this. There are a few commercial HDTV (OTA
ATSC 8VSB) recorders available that you can buy. I haven't looked at any
lately as I use a PC with 3 dual ATSC tuners in it that allows me to
record up to 30 shows at once (although I've never recorded more than 6).
Guide data is sent with each digital broadcast, so there's really no need
to subscribe to any guide data (although I pay $20 a year for a 14 day
guide service). There are lots of options for ATSC recorders, but the
best by far is to use a PC. It's cheaper and much more versatile.



How are 6 tuners getting you 30 recordable channels at once?

Each tuner can record a different channel, and each channel can have 5
program streams. With my hdHomerun, using the command line software that
ships with it, the usual 3-step procedure is: 1) a command to set the
channel 2) a command to set the program, and 3) a command to save to
disc. By skipping step 2, it will record the whole transport stream as
one file, and when playing back the video with VLC, mplayer, etc I can
switch between programs similar to an 8-track audio tape (yes, I'm that
old). It can also easily be split into one or more individual files.

Now, just because it *can* be done, I've never actually done it other
than for testing purposes. I don't watch nearly that much tv, and with
the command line software I use it's basically one or all, can't do just
2 or 3.

Jim

I use a PC with 3 dual ATSC tuners in it that allows me to
record up to 30 shows at once (although I've never recorded more than 6).

How are 6 tuners getting you 30 recordable channels at once?

It's just more fantasy (ie lies) from Wes.

The only way you'd get more than 6 recordings from 6 ATSC tuners would be if
each station had 5 subchannels on it and you wanted to record each of them.
Very few (if any) markets have ATSC stations with that many active
subchannels, let alone any programming worth recording from them.

"lbbss" wrote in message
...
How can I test the unit to see if it works. The girl selling it,
knows nothing about technical stuff. If she has cable or satellite
tv, can I connect it with it from the cable to the tivo, and from the
tivo to the tv both with a coax cable? What do I do after that, just
plug the power and see if a menu comes up. Then it likely is ok?
She said it work when her ex last used it, but selling it as is, feel
free to test it out. Any advise on how to do a bare minimum test?
Thanks.


yes, but......
in the post you ask about sat/cable, the rf from those boxes are usually
analog (ch 3 or 4, and so they work on older tv's), but in the subject
(before the hyphen) you ask about a tx20 (it has analog rf tuner), but
(after the hyphen) you ask if you can get just digital OR just analog with
an antenna (most antennas can do both) so your q is a bit confusing..

if however, you want to use an antenna to receive outside signals, use the
rf instead of video on the tivo, and want them converted to analog for free,
consider getting a digital to analog converter box.... many were free when
broadcast stations went to digital...

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:39:44 -0500, Bill Kearney wrote:

I use a PC with 3 dual ATSC tuners in it that allows me to
record up to 30 shows at once (although I've never recorded more than
6).

How are 6 tuners getting you 30 recordable channels at once?

It's just more fantasy (ie lies) from Wes.

The only way you'd get more than 6 recordings from 6 ATSC tuners would
be if each station had 5 subchannels on it and you wanted to record each
of them. Very few (if any) markets have ATSC stations with that many
active subchannels, let alone any programming worth recording from them.

You call me a liar, and then turn around and prove yourself wrong.
Brilliant Bill. Your stupidity is only exceeded by your ego.:-)
I suppose your car will only do 70MPH because that's the speed limit. And
there's only 2 apples in a bushel because you can only hold one in each
hand. You're a riot.:-)

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