TIVO TX20: NEBIE- Can you get Digital channels or just analog withantenna?

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On 2009-11-27, GMAN wrote:
In article , Wes Newell
wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:44:54 -0800, lbbss wrote:

thanks for that info. Yes, that is a toshiba rs-tx20. I am still
not
clear on how you get the free subscription, by way of an antenna, it
has
to get to you somehow? Or does a subscription not mean tv channels,
but more of a tv guide, but not the actual tv program. When you have a
cable subscription, it comes to you through a physical cable wire to
your house. So how do you get the tivo free subscription? I do have
a external tuner box, that can convert to std def. and the Tivo tv
guide, I don't care about. I just want free channels. This person is
selling it for $30, but she does not know how they work, so I can't as
here about it. thanks again.




the guide is just that, a guide only, and comes via a dial-up or network
connection... not extra free channels.....

On 2009-11-27, Bill Kearney wrote:


I use a PC with 3 dual ATSC tuners in it that allows me to
record up to 30 shows at once (although I've never recorded more than 6).

How are 6 tuners getting you 30 recordable channels at once?

It's just more fantasy (ie lies) from Wes.

The only way you'd get more than 6 recordings from 6 ATSC tuners would be if
each station had 5 subchannels on it and you wanted to record each of them.

I record stuff on my OTA _3 channels on a pretty regular basis actually.
I would not be surprised if I were to enable multirec and I ended up with
more than 1 show recording per tuner. Then there's the odd situation where
there's more than one "real" channel on a particular frequency. My area has
at least one of those.

Very few (if any) markets have ATSC stations with that many active
subchannels, let alone any programming worth recording from them.


With unencrypted QAM that would be pretty mundane.

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In article , Wes Newell wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:49:03 +0000, GMAN wrote:

How are 6 tuners getting you 30 recordable channels at once?

Each tuner receives the full bandwidth of each channel. So, with one
tuner, you can record up to 5 sub-channels since all five are in the same
bandwidth. If Tivo had a lick of sense, they would have incorporated this
into their recorders like the software I use does. Maybe they'll come out
with a software upgrade for it if you ask, but I doubt it. Like I said, I
don't use this feature since in my area all the networks have their own
stations, but in other areas stations broadcast more than one major
network. Southern OK is a good example where one station broadcast 3
major networks and another broadcast 2. Two tuners could record all 5 at
once. There are many stations that broadcast 5 sub-channels, and 2 tuners
could record all 10 at once. Just one more reason, besides cost, not to
use a Tivo-HD for OTA.

Why would you want to record all of the SD sub channels of a TV station all at
once. (Never mind, i just reread your post) Most stations here in Utah i have
seen broadcast crap or weather info there. There is even one religoius station
here that broadcasts the same signal on the 4 subchannels.

All the major stations here have their own main channel.

On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:53:06 +0000, GMAN wrote:

In article , Wes Newell
wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:49:03 +0000, GMAN wrote:

How are 6 tuners getting you 30 recordable channels at once?

Each tuner receives the full bandwidth of each channel. So, with one
tuner, you can record up to 5 sub-channels since all five are in the
same bandwidth. If Tivo had a lick of sense, they would have
incorporated this into their recorders like the software I use does.
Maybe they'll come out with a software upgrade for it if you ask, but I
doubt it. Like I said, I don't use this feature since in my area all the
networks have their own stations, but in other areas stations broadcast
more than one major network. Southern OK is a good example where one
station broadcast 3 major networks and another broadcast 2. Two tuners
could record all 5 at once. There are many stations that broadcast 5
sub-channels, and 2 tuners could record all 10 at once. Just one more
reason, besides cost, not to use a Tivo-HD for OTA.

Why would you want to record all of the SD sub channels of a TV station
all at once. (Never mind, i just reread your post) Most stations here
in Utah i have seen broadcast crap or weather info there. There is even
one religoius station here that broadcasts the same signal on the 4
subchannels.

All the major stations here have their own main channel.

It used to be that way here, but recently, the NBC station started
broadcasting USA sports on a sub-channel and the ABC station started
broadcasting movies on one too. I just found the ABC movie channel by
accident the other day. The local ION station also has qubo on a
subchannel. That would be great for kids while recording an HD movie on
their main channel. Still, the better application for it would be as I
described above. A single ATSC dual tuner card recording 5 networks at
once would keep initial tuner cost down.

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On 2009-11-29, Wes Newell wrote:


On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:53:06 +0000, GMAN wrote:

In article , Wes Newell
wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:49:03 +0000, GMAN wrote:

How are 6 tuners getting you 30 recordable channels at once?

Each tuner receives the full bandwidth of each channel. So, with one
tuner, you can record up to 5 sub-channels since all five are in the
same bandwidth. If Tivo had a lick of sense, they would have
incorporated this into their recorders like the software I use does.
Maybe they'll come out with a software upgrade for it if you ask, but I
doubt it. Like I said, I don't use this feature since in my area all the
networks have their own stations, but in other areas stations broadcast
more than one major network. Southern OK is a good example where one
station broadcast 3 major networks and another broadcast 2. Two tuners
could record all 5 at once. There are many stations that broadcast 5
sub-channels, and 2 tuners could record all 10 at once. Just one more
reason, besides cost, not to use a Tivo-HD for OTA.

Why would you want to record all of the SD sub channels of a TV station
all at once. (Never mind, i just reread your post) Most stations here
in Utah i have seen broadcast crap or weather info there. There is even
one religoius station here that broadcasts the same signal on the 4
subchannels.

All the major stations here have their own main channel.

...one of the great things about a PVR is that it goes out and finds
those things that you would never consider looking for yourself due to
your own pre-conceived notions.


It used to be that way here, but recently, the NBC station started
broadcasting USA sports on a sub-channel and the ABC station started
broadcasting movies on one too. I just found the ABC movie channel by
accident the other day. The local ION station also has qubo on a
subchannel. That would be great for kids while recording an HD movie on
their main channel. Still, the better application for it would be as I
described above. A single ATSC dual tuner card recording 5 networks at
once would keep initial tuner cost down.



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On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:11:12 +0000 (UTC), Wes Newell
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:53:06 +0000, GMAN wrote:

In article , Wes Newell
wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:49:03 +0000, GMAN wrote:

How are 6 tuners getting you 30 recordable channels at once?

Each tuner receives the full bandwidth of each channel. So, with one
tuner, you can record up to 5 sub-channels since all five are in the
same bandwidth. If Tivo had a lick of sense, they would have
incorporated this into their recorders like the software I use does.
Maybe they'll come out with a software upgrade for it if you ask, but I
doubt it. Like I said, I don't use this feature since in my area all the
networks have their own stations, but in other areas stations broadcast
more than one major network. Southern OK is a good example where one
station broadcast 3 major networks and another broadcast 2. Two tuners
could record all 5 at once. There are many stations that broadcast 5
sub-channels, and 2 tuners could record all 10 at once. Just one more
reason, besides cost, not to use a Tivo-HD for OTA.

Why would you want to record all of the SD sub channels of a TV station
all at once. (Never mind, i just reread your post) Most stations here
in Utah i have seen broadcast crap or weather info there. There is even
one religoius station here that broadcasts the same signal on the 4
subchannels.

All the major stations here have their own main channel.

It used to be that way here, but recently, the NBC station started
broadcasting USA sports on a sub-channel and the ABC station started
broadcasting movies on one too. I just found the ABC movie channel by
accident the other day. The local ION station also has qubo on a
subchannel. That would be great for kids while recording an HD movie on
their main channel. Still, the better application for it would be as I
described above. A single ATSC dual tuner card recording 5 networks at
once would keep initial tuner cost down.

Yep. I don't do OTA but regularly record all 3 HDTV streams in a
single unencrypted TWC channel using a single tuner. Here that means
the national networks in most cases and a few locals tossed in, in
some cases. All HD, none is a sub-channel.

I've noticed that ABC here has a secondary HD channel - also carried
by TWC. So far, nothing of interest - but it's in the guide that I
use, just in case.

The stand alone recorders have a long way to go in this regard - along
with the disk capacity to accommodate it.

The stand alone recorders have a long way to go in this regard - along
with the disk capacity to accommodate it.

It wouldn't take any added disc capacity to store the sub-channels.

On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:21:04 -0500, Bill Kearney wrote:

The stand alone recorders have a long way to go in this regard - along
with the disk capacity to accommodate it.

It wouldn't take any added disc capacity to store the sub-channels.

And I'm curious how you came up with this wrong assumption. When you
record a program, only the data for that program is stored to disk.
That's why when you record an SD DTV show, the file size is so much
smaller than the HD program.:-)



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On 2009-12-03, Wes Newell wrote:


On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:21:04 -0500, Bill Kearney wrote:

The stand alone recorders have a long way to go in this regard - along
with the disk capacity to accommodate it.

It wouldn't take any added disc capacity to store the sub-channels.

And I'm curious how you came up with this wrong assumption. When you
record a program, only the data for that program is stored to disk.
That's why when you record an SD DTV show, the file size is so much
smaller than the HD program.:-)

....it doesn't sound like you've worked with OTA digital much then.

The amount of bandwidth that broadcasters waste with old reruns is astounding.

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On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:14:06 -0600, JEDIDIAH wrote:

On 2009-12-03, Wes Newell wrote:


On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:21:04 -0500, Bill Kearney wrote:

The stand alone recorders have a long way to go in this regard -
along with the disk capacity to accommodate it.

It wouldn't take any added disc capacity to store the sub-channels.

And I'm curious how you came up with this wrong assumption. When you
record a program, only the data for that program is stored to disk.
That's why when you record an SD DTV show, the file size is so much
smaller than the HD program.:-)

...it doesn't sound like you've worked with OTA digital much then.

The amount of bandwidth that broadcasters waste with old reruns is
astounding.

Been recording it since 2005. And I know for a fact that all the data is
not stored to HD from a broadcast stream. Only the part for the sub-
channel being recorded. I have no idea what you are talking about.
Perhaps this was intended for Bill.



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