Alba to be on Freeview?

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:54:41 -0000, "Jerry"
wrote:

Err, you can't receive those radio stations via either DAB,
analogue (FM/MW/LW)...?

Not, if like us, you live in an area in which no terrestrial services
are receivable.
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In article
,
Owain
wrote:
On 27 Oct, 08:54, "Jerry" wrote:
You might not be a raving Scot but it *is* your Culture,

Is it bggry.

No of Gaelic speakers in Scotland: 58,652 or 1.2% of the population.

No parish in Mainland Scotland has a proportion of Gaelic speakers
greater than 25% any more (the highest value corresponds to Lochalsh,
Highland, with 20.1%) (all wikipedia / 2001 Census)

I did not know the above figures, but am not surprised by them.

I wonder if the BBC 'darn sarf' realise that 'Gael' and 'Scot' are far from
being synonyms. Hope the Trust realise this, although I assume this is a
'proposal' someone has put to them, so they may feel it is appropriate to
consider it and take opinions, etc... before concluding it would be a
mistake for the BBC as well as those in Scotland in general.

I realise that there will be many (like myself) who are interested enough
to watch some programmes in Gaelic, or about the history, music etc. So the
overall level of (some) interest will be above 1-2 percent I assume. But I
doubt that would justify blanket removal of so many radio stations to
provide a 'ghetto' channel for Alba on Freeview. Indeed, I suspect that
might mean a drop in the number of times those with no deliberate interest
find and view some programmes of the type they cover.

So a decision to do this might be the BBC shooting themselves in the foot
and using more than one bullet in the process!

I also don't think much of the "so listen on Long Wave" type of argument.
I spent too long in the past stuck with a situation where we had Radio
Scotland on FM but *not* Radio 4.

And I do suspect the BBC may be setting themselves up for a 'no win'
situation where they end up being criticised either way, either for letting
it look like they "know Alba should be on Freeview but won't provide it" or
for "second class radio service in Scotland yet we all pay the same fee."

Better if they rapidly decide this proposal is a non-runner and that the
mix of Satellite and opt in similar to now is most appropriate given the
actual/likely/target audience in Gaeldom. Of course if the idea is to
spread interest in Gaelic then it should be a UK wide channel. Not just
limited to the Top Country. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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"Mike" wrote in message
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On Oct 27, 9:14 am, Bigguy wrote:
Bigguy wrote:
Jerry wrote:
"John Wright" ""john\"@no spam here.com" wrote in message

You might not be a raving Scot but it *is* your Culture, and if you're
not Scottish by birth then you hardly have the right to an opinion.

Would this also go the other way - are 'native born' Scots also denied
an opinion on 'English matters'?

I guess this also precludes 'native born' Scots from poking their noses
into English affairs.

Someone must have forgotten to tell Gordon Brown. ;-)

And Alistair Darling, oh and thanks to Fred Goodwin too.

Isn't RBS a Scottish Bank? (I think the clue is in the name).

At least they haven't imposed something solely on the English, unlike
Margaret Thatcher with the poll tax. Still she single handedly managed to
ruin the Conservatives chances in Scotland for decades to come, so I suppose
we can thank her for that.

Z

"Bigguy" wrote in message
...
: Jerry wrote:
: "John Wright" ""john\"@no spam here.com" wrote in message
:
:
: You might not be a raving Scot but it *is* your Culture, and
if
: you're not Scottish by birth then you hardly have the right
to an
: opinion.
:
: Would this also go the other way - are 'native born' Scots also
denied
: an opinion on 'English matters'?
:
: Do tell.
:

Not on English *cultural* issues, no!...

"Bigguy" wrote in message
...
: Bigguy wrote:
: Jerry wrote:
: "John Wright" ""john\"@no spam here.com" wrote in message
:
:
: You might not be a raving Scot but it *is* your Culture, and
if you're
: not Scottish by birth then you hardly have the right to an
opinion.
:
: Would this also go the other way - are 'native born' Scots
also denied
: an opinion on 'English matters'?
:
:
:
: I guess this also precludes 'native born' Scots from poking
their noses
: into English affairs.
:
: Someone must have forgotten to tell Gordon Brown. ;-)
:

....and perhaps you need to learn to read?

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article
,
Owain
wrote:
On 27 Oct, 08:54, "Jerry" wrote:
You might not be a raving Scot but it *is* your Culture,

Is it bggry.

No of Gaelic speakers in Scotland: 58,652 or 1.2% of the population.

No parish in Mainland Scotland has a proportion of Gaelic speakers
greater than 25% any more (the highest value corresponds to Lochalsh,
Highland, with 20.1%) (all wikipedia / 2001 Census)

I did not know the above figures, but am not surprised by them.

I wonder if the BBC 'darn sarf' realise that 'Gael' and 'Scot' are far
from
being synonyms. Hope the Trust realise this, although I assume this is a
'proposal' someone has put to them, so they may feel it is appropriate to
consider it and take opinions, etc... before concluding it would be a
mistake for the BBC as well as those in Scotland in general.

I realise that there will be many (like myself) who are interested enough
to watch some programmes in Gaelic, or about the history, music etc. So
the
overall level of (some) interest will be above 1-2 percent I assume. But I
doubt that would justify blanket removal of so many radio stations to
provide a 'ghetto' channel for Alba on Freeview. Indeed, I suspect that
might mean a drop in the number of times those with no deliberate interest
find and view some programmes of the type they cover.

So a decision to do this might be the BBC shooting themselves in the foot
and using more than one bullet in the process!

I also don't think much of the "so listen on Long Wave" type of argument.
I spent too long in the past stuck with a situation where we had Radio
Scotland on FM but *not* Radio 4.

And I do suspect the BBC may be setting themselves up for a 'no win'
situation where they end up being criticised either way, either for
letting
it look like they "know Alba should be on Freeview but won't provide it"
or
for "second class radio service in Scotland yet we all pay the same fee."

Better if they rapidly decide this proposal is a non-runner and that the
mix of Satellite and opt in similar to now is most appropriate given the
actual/likely/target audience in Gaeldom. Of course if the idea is to
spread interest in Gaelic then it should be a UK wide channel. Not just
limited to the Top Country. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

--

I must admit I don't see the need for this service - why should Gaelic
speakers have a distinctly different interest in programming terms than
other Scots? Surely if you want to provide a Gaelic service then using the
red button for an alternative audio track over the standard BBC Scotland
output should be sufficient - and for some programmes this might be the
original language of the broadcast with the English version as the dubbed
audio.

If the problem is that this service is too Glasgow/Edinburgh centric then it
is the programming that needs addressing not the language being used - and
living in Northampton and having Look 'Norwich' as the regional programme I
do understand this criticism.

--
Paul S

"Alan White" wrote in message
...
: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:54:41 -0000, "Jerry"
: wrote:
:
: Err, you can't receive those radio stations via either DAB,
: analogue (FM/MW/LW)...?
:
: Not, if like us, you live in an area in which no terrestrial
services
: are receivable.

But then you are not going to be affected by these changes
anyway... Duh!

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:37:58 -0000, "Jerry"
wrote:

But then you are not going to be affected by these changes
anyway... Duh!

So?
--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather

"Paul S" [email protected] writes:

Surely if you want to provide a Gaelic service then using the red
button for an alternative audio track over the standard BBC Scotland
output should be sufficient - and for some programmes this might be
the original language of the broadcast with the English version as the
dubbed audio.

Or even just broadcast it in one of the alternate audio channels. On my
freeview PVR, I can select the primary and alternate languages (in the
same menu as sub-titles)[1]. So if a gaelic speaker were to set Gaelic
as the primary language and English as the secondary, any programmes
broadcast with a Gaelic soundtrack would be presented in Gaelic and
others in English.

[1] Though that does not, of course, mean that any programmes are
actually broadcast with alternate soundtracks, but it strongly implies
that the standards allow for it.

"Jerry" wrote in message
...
:
: "Bigguy" wrote in message
: ...
:: Jerry wrote:
:: "John Wright" ""john\"@no spam here.com" wrote in message
::
::
:: You might not be a raving Scot but it *is* your Culture, and
: if
:: you're not Scottish by birth then you hardly have the right
: to an
:: opinion.
::
:: Would this also go the other way - are 'native born' Scots
also
: denied
:: an opinion on 'English matters'?
::
:: Do tell.
::
:
: Not on English *cultural* issues, no!...
:

Oops, I mean yes, the Scots shouldn't have a say on English
cultural issues.