Not enough bandwidth on PSB multiplexes for BBC services -- theScottish problem

Following the decision of BBC to remove two of the BBC Red Button
interactive streams because of the loss of available bandwidth due
to the clearing of PSB-3 for HD, the BBC Trust has now suggested that
the method to be investigated for bringing BBC Alba on to the
terrestrial network would be to broadcast it during the evening on
bandwidth current dedicated to radio services.

From

http://www.bbc.co.UK/bbctrust/news/press_releases/october/alba_review.shtml

QUOTE

Part two will look at whether the channel should be made available on
Freeview. Due to cost and capacity restraints on DTT, the BBC Executive
have suggested finding room for BBC ALBA by removing the BBC's radio
stations from Freeview, in Scotland only, during BBC ALBA's broadcasting
hours. We will be considering this proposal and what option the public
would prefer.

The review will also consider whether the Gaelic zone on BBC Two Scotland
should remain.

UNQUOTE

Do the BBC radio services on PSB-1 actually use as much bandwidth as a
video stream, or would the quality of BBC Alba be strictly legovision?

"J G Miller" wrote in message ...


Do the BBC radio services on PSB-1 actually use as much bandwidth as a
video stream, or would the quality of BBC Alba be strictly legovision?




and how many scottish people actually want to watch gaelic language tv
anyway? - reminds me of when i was a kid in wales, at a young age a welsh
teacher turned up at our school - because apparently it was our culture.
i found it strange that if that was the case, how come this was the first
time i'd ever heard of it ?



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J G Miller wrote:

Do the BBC radio services on PSB-1 actually use as much bandwidth as a
video stream, or would the quality of BBC Alba be strictly legovision?

BBC Radios 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1xtra, Asian, World Serv, Scotland, Nan G.

What are they each, 192k ish ? so 12 x 192 = 2.3 Mb/s, not really enough of
course, but enough for those beancounters and the incompetents at Ofcom.


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Hoe lon before they lose the radio everywhere if they do this. I beelive
radio via freeview is now quite widely used, so ditching it seems stupid in
Scotland or anywhere else.
Its the commercial crap on Freeview which needs pruning and one only needs
to look at the viewing figures, and maybe with fewer commercial stations,
the commercial area will once again have enough money from advertising to
support their output.

Brian

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"J G Miller" wrote in message ...
Following the decision of BBC to remove two of the BBC Red Button
interactive streams because of the loss of available bandwidth due
to the clearing of PSB-3 for HD, the BBC Trust has now suggested that
the method to be investigated for bringing BBC Alba on to the
terrestrial network would be to broadcast it during the evening on
bandwidth current dedicated to radio services.

From

http://www.bbc.co.UK/bbctrust/news/press_releases/october/alba_review.shtml

QUOTE

Part two will look at whether the channel should be made available on
Freeview. Due to cost and capacity restraints on DTT, the BBC Executive
have suggested finding room for BBC ALBA by removing the BBC's radio
stations from Freeview, in Scotland only, during BBC ALBA's broadcasting
hours. We will be considering this proposal and what option the public
would prefer.

The review will also consider whether the Gaelic zone on BBC Two Scotland
should remain.

UNQUOTE

Do the BBC radio services on PSB-1 actually use as much bandwidth as a
video stream, or would the quality of BBC Alba be strictly legovision?

In article , J G Miller writes
Following the decision of BBC to remove two of the BBC Red Button
interactive streams because of the loss of available bandwidth due
to the clearing of PSB-3 for HD, the BBC Trust has now suggested that
the method to be investigated for bringing BBC Alba on to the
terrestrial network would be to broadcast it during the evening on
bandwidth current dedicated to radio services.

From

http://www.bbc.co.UK/bbctrust/news/press_releases/october/alba_review.shtml

QUOTE

Part two will look at whether the channel should be made available on
Freeview. Due to cost and capacity restraints on DTT, the BBC Executive
have suggested finding room for BBC ALBA by removing the BBC's radio
stations from Freeview, in Scotland only, during BBC ALBA's broadcasting
hours. We will be considering this proposal and what option the public
would prefer.

The review will also consider whether the Gaelic zone on BBC Two Scotland
should remain.

UNQUOTE

Surely they couldn't be that stupid?

One of the benefits of DSO I was hoping for was that the minority
interest (Gaelic) programming would stop hijacking the mainstream
channels, apparently not.

Freeview is currently my only access to radio at home.
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In message , Brian Gaff
writes
Hoe lon before they lose the radio everywhere if they do this. I beelive
radio via freeview is now quite widely used, so ditching it seems stupid in
Scotland or anywhere else.
Its the commercial crap on Freeview which needs pruning and one only needs
to look at the viewing figures, and maybe with fewer commercial stations,
the commercial area will once again have enough money from advertising to
support their output.

Brian

Maybe when they lost the revenue from cigarette advertising, they were
compensated by getting permission to advertise other vices, like
gambling and sexual services, and erm, lawyers.

Of course they would have to be on dedicated channels.

I think we should have channels dedicated to smoking.

Note, I would have put a smiley, but since I'm replying to Brian, I
wasn't sure that it wouldn't just be annoying.
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"Ian" wrote in message
...
In message , Brian Gaff
writes
Note, I would have put a smiley, but since I'm replying to Brian, I wasn't
sure that it wouldn't just be annoying.

I don't use smileys.

Bill

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
. ..
Hoe lon before they lose the radio everywhere if they do this. I beelive
radio via freeview is now quite widely used, so ditching it seems stupid
in Scotland or anywhere else.
Its the commercial crap on Freeview which needs pruning and one only needs
to look at the viewing figures, and maybe with fewer commercial stations,
the commercial area will once again have enough money from advertising to
support their output.

What they need is more multiplexes and there should be plenty of space: on
channels 35 and 37 at every transmitter after five analogue switch off, and
many more uhf channels after they re-engineer the COM multiplexes as single
frequency networks.

It's only the three regional PSB multiplexes that need to follow anything
like the original UHF channel plan. There should be about a dozen COM
multiplexes in the other half of the available spectrum, not to mention Band
III VHF as used extensively in the US and Europe, or the stupidity of
abandoning Band I VHF: there's room for 3 more national multiplexes there.

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:19:40 -0000, "The dog from that film you saw"
wrote:


"J G Miller" wrote in message ...


Do the BBC radio services on PSB-1 actually use as much bandwidth as a
video stream, or would the quality of BBC Alba be strictly legovision?




and how many scottish people actually want to watch gaelic language tv
anyway? - reminds me of when i was a kid in wales, at a young age a welsh
teacher turned up at our school - because apparently it was our culture.
i found it strange that if that was the case, how come this was the first
time i'd ever heard of it ?

Something I've often wondered, what power does the Welsh language
bunch hold over government? 20% ish - or less - can actually struggle
through the stuff yet they have a dedicated tv channel, radio station,
bi lingual everything on paper and those wonderful road signs. Tail
wagging the dog or what?

It always makes me laugh that there a heap of consultations out there for
all sorts of things, but never for whatthe public wants from entertainment
broadcasting in any joined up way. I feel that at present its driven by who
will pay what for which, rather than what is actually wanted.

Brian

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In message , Brian Gaff
writes
Hoe lon before they lose the radio everywhere if they do this. I beelive
radio via freeview is now quite widely used, so ditching it seems stupid
in
Scotland or anywhere else.
Its the commercial crap on Freeview which needs pruning and one only needs
to look at the viewing figures, and maybe with fewer commercial stations,
the commercial area will once again have enough money from advertising to
support their output.

Brian

Maybe when they lost the revenue from cigarette advertising, they were
compensated by getting permission to advertise other vices, like gambling
and sexual services, and erm, lawyers.

Of course they would have to be on dedicated channels.

I think we should have channels dedicated to smoking.

Note, I would have put a smiley, but since I'm replying to Brian, I wasn't
sure that it wouldn't just be annoying.
--
Ian