Freeview losing two BBC streams

"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message
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: On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:07:32 +0100, "Ivan"

: wrote:
:
: Well a very large number of people apparently watch the F1
forum after the
: race.
:
: In which case, if this is a programme of sufficient quality to
be
: broadcast, broadcast it on a proper television channel instead
of
: hidden behind such "press red" mullarkey.

Err, yes, the only reason this F1 programme gets 'hidden' is
because the couch potatoes want their EastEnders omnibus, which
could if be put on the "Red Button" instead or viewers directed
to the iPlayer - which is what the iPlayer was designed for after
all, to allow poeple to 'catch-up'...

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:08:58 +0100, Max Demian
wrote:

Err, digital-text (the successor to Ceefax) is hugely popular,

Who with? It's little better than Ceefax - just quicker to access the
sub-pages.

It's crap and oh-so-slow. It's much worse than Ceefax in my opinion. I
almost never use it, whereas I used to peruse Ceefax quite a lot.

On 23 Oct, 18:18, charles wrote:
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* *galaxyguy wrote:

Incidentally before anyone uses the word retard again perhaps they ought
to know what it means. It is a French word and 'en retard', simply means
being a (little) late.

However, it does have another meaning: *it is (US) slang for a mentally
retarded person. *I looked it up in Cassell Dictionary of Slang.

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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

Thank you Charles. I think we are all aware of which meaning Jerry
meant and sadly the US slang is known this side of the pond too and
used unpleasantly and rudely. I was trying to raise the tone and point
out that the word is a commonly used French word that can be spoken in
polite society. The pronunciation is different though the rhythm of
the word is even throughout. I'm sure that if you looked in an edition
of this same Slang "dictionary" from a decade ago, you wouldn't find
it.

# Using a Linux 9.04 computer.

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galaxyguy wrote:
On 23 Oct, 18:18, charles wrote:
In article
,
galaxyguy wrote:

Incidentally before anyone uses the word retard again perhaps they
ought to know what it means. It is a French word and 'en retard',
simply means being a (little) late.

However, it does have another meaning: it is (US) slang for a mentally
retarded person. I looked it up in Cassell Dictionary of Slang.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

Thank you Charles. I think we are all aware of which meaning Jerry
meant and sadly the US slang is known this side of the pond too and
used unpleasantly and rudely. I was trying to raise the tone and point
out that the word is a commonly used French word that can be spoken in
polite society. The pronunciation is different though the rhythm of
the word is even throughout. I'm sure that if you looked in an edition
of this same Slang "dictionary" from a decade ago, you wouldn't find
it.

it says from the 1970s

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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

In article
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" writes

And it's a fair point - in most other countries with digital TV
services, pressing Text on the TV remote still brings up teletext. The
UK is in the minority in that it's dumped "analogue" (VBI) teletext on
the digital service.

That's rather clever of Johnny Foreigner!

How exactly does he manage to keep a VBI text service on a TV switched
the composite, component, RGB or modulated output of a digital STB? Do
foreign STBs include VBI text encoders.

I guess that since most foreign text services amounted to little more
than Line21 closed captioning at the best of times it wouldn't be too
difficult to do, but a full VBI teletext service on each channel of the
MUX would require a bit more effort.
--
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's ****ed.
Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying)

On 23 Oct, 22:25, charles wrote:
In article
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* *galaxyguy wrote:



On 23 Oct, 18:18, charles wrote:
In article
,
* *galaxyguy wrote:

Incidentally before anyone uses the word retard again perhaps they
ought to know what it means. It is a French word and 'en retard',
simply means being a (little) late.

However, it does have another meaning: *it is (US) slang for a mentally
retarded person. *I looked it up in Cassell Dictionary of Slang.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11
Thank you Charles. I think we are all aware of which meaning Jerry
meant and sadly the US slang is known this side of the pond too and
used unpleasantly and rudely. I was trying to raise the tone and point
out that the word is a commonly used French word that can be spoken in
polite society. The pronunciation is different though the rhythm of
the word is even throughout. I'm sure that if you looked in an edition
of this same Slang "dictionary" from a decade ago, you wouldn't find
it.

it says from the 1970s

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

Well, it's nothing to be proud of, is it? If anyone in Britain used
this expression with that known meaning in the 1970s or 1980s they
would have been treated with great distain. The original word dates
back many centuries. In being late it can be as a result of being
slow, so the unpleasant American slang is almost certainly derived
from the polite French word.

"galaxyguy" wrote in message
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Well, it's nothing to be proud of, is it?

What, being a Google groupie, couldn't agree more...

If the words that are used on Usenet offend your sensitivities
then you know what you can do, oh and close the door on the way
out.

In article
,
galaxyguy wrote:

Well, it's nothing to be proud of, is it? If anyone in Britain used
this expression with that known meaning in the 1970s or 1980s they
would have been treated with great distain. The original word dates
back many centuries. In being late it can be as a result of being
slow, so the unpleasant American slang is almost certainly derived
from the polite French word.

a further look, this time in the Oxford English Dictionary, reveals that
the word was first used for 'someone slow of learning' by Francis Bacon in
the 16th century.

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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

Kennedy McEwen wrote:
In article
,
" writes

And it's a fair point - in most other countries with digital TV
services, pressing Text on the TV remote still brings up teletext. The
UK is in the minority in that it's dumped "analogue" (VBI) teletext on
the digital service.

That's rather clever of Johnny Foreigner!

How exactly does he manage to keep a VBI text service on a TV switched
the composite, component, RGB or modulated output of a digital STB? Do
foreign STBs include VBI text encoders.

Not just foreign ones, our very own Sky Digiboxes all have VBI 'analogue'
teletext insertion. The teletext data can be sent in a data channel within the
DVB transport stream, and the set top box regenerates this into the VBI of the
output video signal. Still used by some D-Sat channels, and the BBC 1 London
and BBC 2 England streams still carry a limited Ceefax service for the benefit
of the Benelux cable cos that source the BBC channels from 28E.

Also if I put my Freesat PVR into 'Non Freesat' mode, then the 'Text' button
launches a good old '1974' spec teletext decoder within the box, and Ceefax on
the two streams mentioned above can be viewed, as well as '888' subtitles on
those and many other channels.

I guess that since most foreign text services amounted to little more
than Line21 closed captioning at the best of times it wouldn't be too
difficult to do, but a full VBI teletext service on each channel of the
MUX would require a bit more effort.

In Europe and beyond teletext services are as comprehensive and stuffed full
of pages as there are (still) here.

The only real difference is the UK spec of DVB-T does not carry 1974 spec
teletext, there's no technical reason why not, only political.


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Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk

On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:30:14 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

Also if I put my Freesat PVR into 'Non Freesat' mode, then the 'Text' button
launches a good old '1974' spec teletext decoder within the box, and Ceefax on
the two streams mentioned above can be viewed, as well as '888' subtitles on
those and many other channels.

Similarly with the Sky News channels on a Humax PVR in non-Freesat mode.

There are 4 channels: Sky News [UK], Sky News [Eire], Sky News UK
(Cable) and Sky News Eire (Cable). The first two have Racing News and
the cable versions have general news. The general news also includes the
2005 general election results starting on P160!

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)