Total Moronic BBC Scheduling

"Java Jive" wrote:

[snip]

You can't even remember that it was actually broadcast so perhaps your
memory is not the best yardstick by which to measure all memories by.

My memory seems to be better than yours ...

http://forums.autosport.com/lofivers...p/t112436.html

So, like I said above, when I first moved here, it wasn't being
regularly broadcast, regular broadcasts being a new phenomenon since
'98. Current heightened UK interest shown on the graphs is doubtless
largely due to having, now, two British WCs in a row.

So why does the graph of qualifying numbers go back to 1992? FWIW, the
BBC showed qualifying occasionally from the mid-seventies - particularly
the British GP.

Back then though, qualifying wasn't always available since the host
broadcaster could decide whether to cover it at all. Only when Bernie's
FOM began to organise things 'properly' did the qually become part of
the TV package, purchased by BBC or ITV. Basically, if you want to show
the races you have to show the qualifying too.

Thankfully the Beeb are showing all sessions, including the 3 Friday/Saturday
practice sessions live on the red button. The red button also shows reruns,
highlights and historical footage around the race weekends.


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Brian W Lawrence
Wantage,
Oxfordshire, UK

Java Jive ] said:

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:50:12 +0100, Yellow
wrote:

I have only watched F1 for 10 years and the qualifying has always been
shown.

Like I said, a recent phenomenon.

In that case, why bother to run or broadcast the race at
all? Get real.

Why bother with any TV at all? Get a life.

That applies equally to both of us, so is hardly adequate as an answer
to my specific point.

Make a valid point and I will address it.

Java Jive ] said:

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:55:45 +0100, Yellow
wrote:

Assuming that the BBC sent the start signal, why would PVRs in general
not pick up the correct start of Gandhi? It was due to start at 8:30pm
and the F1 finished, give or take a few minutes in either direction, at
8:30pm.

Because many of them, including the two that I own, and another I have
passed on, simply do not have that functionality.

You have a PVR that does not look at broadcaster starts and stops? That
function was available on VCRs!

It's only
comparatively recent boxes

Sweeping aside that you state elsewhere that 10 years ago is "relatively
recent", my 3 year old, now obsolete, Humax does so it sounds like it
might be time to consider an upgrade.

that attempt it, and many seem not to
manage it all well.

Apart from three or four posts here, what evidence do you have of that?
It obviously needs the broadcaster to send the commands, but mine copes
admirably.

Even those that do make a fair effort, as you and
others have admitted, frequently miss the very beginning or end of the
programme, which, if you want to make a decent recording that you
might wish to keep, rather than just simply watch it, may not be
acceptable.

No, I said I *rarely* miss the start or end of a programme. And if it is
that important to you for a given programme, there are ways and means
(alternatively know as making an effort), to ensure that you catch the
whole show.


A couple of reports here does not a summer make and you are a drama
queen so I claim my 5 pounds. :-)

Bah! Sanctimonious smart-arse hypocrisy. I take it then you've run
out of real arguments.

My comment was with respect to your assertion that a few posts here
prove all PVRs fail to make proper recordings and my comment stands. I
will however say that it is somewhat hypocritical of you so snip that
reference in an attempt to misrepresent my comments. :-p

Java Jive ] said:

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:09:56 +0100, Yellow
wrote:

So you want jam on it? But anyway, if people where that bothered about
the programme they would probably have watched or recorded the first
showing.

As I did, but we have also heard here of others that didn't. Also, if
we are to accept that sport has priority over normal scheduling,
there's nothing in principle to stop the original showing being
disrupted as well.

That is a strawman as the original broadcast was not disrupted and had
it been, there was ample opportunity for people to catch the repeat.
Yes, that to could be disrupted but you could also be dead in a ditch
and therefore not care so this path of "what if" argument is pointless.


The most probable reason for that happening, if indeed it happens, is
that it's more popular

The reason BBC repeat shows they have made is because it is cost
effective.

But the reason they repeat some ad infinitum is that they are the most
popular.

No, the reason they repeat them is financial.


than F1 Q'g, which, BTW, has only recently
begun to broadcast at all, suggesting to me that others besides myself
have traditionally taken the line that it doesn't make good TV.

We covered this elsewhere and you are still wrong as it, according to
another poster, has been broadcast for the last 13 years and for the
last 10 to my certain knowledge.

Originally I wrote:

"I'd like to see some independent evidence of that. When I first
moved here 12 yrs ago, at that time I was watching all the races, and
have no recollection of the qualifying being shown at that time.."

However, I have now obtained evidence that this recollection is in
fact correct. I moved here mid '97 season, regular broadcasting of
qualifying began in '98. See the link below.

Sorry, I do not understand what point you are making here expect to
confirm your original assertion was incorrect - but we all already know
that.


Pole position was won by Rubens and Vettel lost his chance of the
championship so that's not bad all in all.

But noone won anything of lasting significance. The WC was decided
the next day.

Pole position was extremely significant and the the fact that Vettel
blew his chance, doubley so.


With respect, all this fuss over a 15 minute delay to a bit of dancing
is the farce.

It wasn't just 15 mins delay to SCD, as you keep trying to make out,
BBC2's schedule was disrupted even more badly.

Yes, a repeat, and a repeat that was being repeated again at a later
day, was shelved.

So a 15 minute delay on one show and a few days delay on another. A pity
for those who sat down to view, but hardly life changing stuff.


I think most people would agree that the farce was causing such
disruption for over an hour's worth of watching people standing around
under umbrellas in the rain.

At very best they're only remembered during people's
lifetimes. Hence my remark about the bucket of water, which seems,
like the water, to have closed way over your head.

Books, and now the internet, keep history alive. :-)


details of lack of interest in sporting history snipped

Just because you are not interested does not make the topic of no
interest or of no merit.


You can't even remember that it was actually broadcast so perhaps your
memory is not the best yardstick by which to measure all memories by.

My memory seems to be better than yours ...

My memory of the last 10 years is perfect thanks and qualifying has
always been shown during that period.


http://forums.autosport.com/lofivers...p/t112436.html

And?


So, like I said above, when I first moved here, it wasn't being
regularly broadcast, regular broadcasts being a new phenomenon since
'98. Current heightened UK interest shown on the graphs is doubtless
largely due to having, now, two British WCs in a row.

To repeat, I have been watching qualifying for the last 10 years.

So you do not actually care that come dancing was delayed by 15 minutes?

I care that the schedules of two major channels were needlessly
disrupted to show endless chatter between various individuals under
umbrellas in the rain.

Needlessly in your opinion, but lucky for me and other viewers of F1,
the BBC did not agree. :-p



Arguing for argument's sake. hmmm......

No, I have a point which I have been making consistently all along.
It's you who seems to be fixated on only SCD.

A lot of fuss over nothing *is* arguing for argument's sake - trust me
on this one.

Oh, and the viewing figures, according to Digital spy?

Saturday
--------
GP 4.5m BBC1
GP 1.71m BBC2

SCD 7.84m

"normal" Casualty 4.5m
"normal" Merlin 5m

So the GP doesn't get better viewing figures, to justify disrupting
normal schedules - it could have been on BBC2.

Richard

Yellow wrote:
Java Jive ] said:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:55:45 +0100, Yellow
wrote:
Assuming that the BBC sent the start signal, why would PVRs in general
not pick up the correct start of Gandhi? It was due to start at 8:30pm
and the F1 finished, give or take a few minutes in either direction, at
8:30pm.
Because many of them, including the two that I own, and another I have
passed on, simply do not have that functionality.

You have a PVR that does not look at broadcaster starts and stops? That
function was available on VCRs!

It's only
comparatively recent boxes

Sweeping aside that you state elsewhere that 10 years ago is "relatively
recent", my 3 year old, now obsolete, Humax does so it sounds like it
might be time to consider an upgrade.

My 8 month old Humax either misses the start of programmes or continues
recording after the end, at least an hour, until I turn it off at the
mains. So I set it so it starts 5 minutes early and finishes 5 minutes
late. This only fails when there is sport before the wanted programme.
It has the latest software and it is a known problem with "accurate
recording" setting.

Phil

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:20:11 +0100, Java Jive
wrote:

It's rare that I end up agreeing with everything that Agamoron says,
never with the way he says it, but ...

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:43:30 +0100, Chris
wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:
Who was the MORON at the BBC who decided to schedule the Grand Prix
practice session on BBC1 instead of Merlin and now it's overrunning into
Strictly Come Dancing by 15 minutes and it looks like its going to be
another ****ing hour before the qualifying session is even going to
start because of a rain delay.

Yes, it's now replacing the Attenborough 'Life' programme, though
fortunately that's a repeat and I've already recorded the first
broadcast, and the Ghandi programme looks to be in danger too.

I was dissappointed that this was cancelled since we missed it first
time.

ITS A ****ING PRACTICE SESSION FOR ****S SAKE. IT'S NOT EVEN THE ACTUAL
****ING GRAND PRIX!

Exactly.

I find the qualifying at least as interesting as the race. Sometimes
it is more exciting.

Why didn't these ****ing morons put it on interactive.

Yes, I thought one of the major purposes of the extra interactive
channels was to allow flexibility when sporting events overrun.

Calm down dear, its only a TV programme

But I don't understand why the BBC broadcasts the qualifying sessions,
in the first place. It strikes me as being a complete waste of
resources - that is, licence payers' money.

I think Strickly is a waste of license payers money. How many
singing/dancing competitions on TV do we need. This format of
programme has been done for years. It's about time we had something
different.
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"Java Jive" wrote in message
...

My original assertion was entirely correct. Broadcasting F1Q is a
recent phenomenon. The races have been televised for 40-50 years, but
qualifying only 11.

While it's true that some Grands Prix were televised as long ago as the
'sixties, that was only selected events such as the British GP, Monaco
and Italy. Most races were not shown. The BBC began to show almost all
races in - I think - 1978. Not every race was shown live or in its
entirety. Typically they were part of Sunday Grandstand and shared
airtime with other events - usually cricket. The late night BBC 2
highlights program, 'Grand Prix' began at about that time, and covered
all races.

I queried the reason for the graph starting in 1992 - that was the
year that qualifying was changed to a single hour on Saturday, thus
making it more appealing to tv companies. The BBC chose not to show
it at that time.

Here's a link that shows how many countries around the world show
qualifying live, simply because it is so important.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...e_broadcasters

Of 819 F1 events 329 (40%) have been won by the driver who started from
pole position.

Pole position was extremely significant and the the fact that Vettel
blew his chance, doubley so.

[snip]

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Brian

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:02:37 +0100, "Zimmy" wrote:


"Agamemnon" wrote in message
.uk...
Who was the MORON at the BBC who decided to schedule the Grand Prix
practice session on BBC1 instead of Merlin and now it's overrunning into
Strictly Come Dancing by 15 minutes

You'd rather watch ballroom dancing than motor racing? Is this you 'coming
out'? :-)

Z


I thnk he wanted to watch Merlin. He was pointing out that a lot of
others wanted the dancing.

I was well p.... off as I'd missed the end of Life when it was first
shown (I think it ran late) and I wanted to record teh repeat and the
last ep of Ghandi.
Considering the Beeb have been pushing Life for weeks it smacks of
incompetence.

They should have put the F1 on the news channel. That's full of
repeats already anyway.

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:57:59 +0100, wrote:

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:02:37 +0100, "Zimmy" wrote:


"Agamemnon" wrote in message
t.uk...
Who was the MORON at the BBC who decided to schedule the Grand Prix
practice session on BBC1 instead of Merlin and now it's overrunning into
Strictly Come Dancing by 15 minutes

You'd rather watch ballroom dancing than motor racing? Is this you 'coming
out'? :-)

Z


I thnk he wanted to watch Merlin. He was pointing out that a lot of
others wanted the dancing.

I was well p.... off as I'd missed the end of Life when it was first
shown (I think it ran late) and I wanted to record teh repeat and the
last ep of Ghandi.
Considering the Beeb have been pushing Life for weeks it smacks of
incompetence.

They should have put the F1 on the news channel. That's full of
repeats already anyway.

The BBC News channel (like other news channels) is also full of regular
news bulletins that the editors insist MUST happen on schedule
regardless of what is being shown live.

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Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)