Digital TV turnover, re tune.

This is really a query as it has turned out not to be a problem as such.

My area went totally digital recently. We were told to retune the sets and
then on 30th Sept to re tune again.
I retuned as required both times.

I have two TV sets, run off different aerials. One in the bedroom ( aerial
in roof) and one in sitting room ( little aerial , indoor thing sat next to
TV). The big TV in the sitting room ( with small aerial) retuned fine and
all channels came in as required.

When I re tuned the second set in the bedroom I lost half the channels and
the message came up " No signal check antenna" . I was about to send my OH
up into the roof to turn the aerial but I accidently switched the remote
the wrong way and "found" all the missing channels located on 800 numbers.
They are in no particular order. They fall amongst the radio and teletext
channels apparently randomly but they are all there. I have channel 10,
all the shopping channels, all five ( five usa and fiver and channel five
there, all Virgin and all the + 1 channels and even ITV 1 and Channel 4 are
there - all of them relocated when the re tune took place it seems.

What I really want to know is what happened and why they relocated into this
odd place?

In article , whiskeyomega
wrote:
This is really a query as it has turned out not to be a problem as such.

My area went totally digital recently. We were told to retune the sets
and then on 30th Sept to re tune again. I retuned as required both times.

I have two TV sets, run off different aerials. One in the bedroom (
aerial in roof) and one in sitting room ( little aerial , indoor thing
sat next to TV). The big TV in the sitting room ( with small aerial)
retuned fine and all channels came in as required.

When I re tuned the second set in the bedroom I lost half the channels
and the message came up " No signal check antenna" . I was about to send
my OH up into the roof to turn the aerial but I accidently switched the
remote the wrong way and "found" all the missing channels located on 800
numbers. They are in no particular order. They fall amongst the radio
and teletext channels apparently randomly but they are all there. I
have channel 10, all the shopping channels, all five ( five usa and
fiver and channel five there, all Virgin and all the + 1 channels and
even ITV 1 and Channel 4 are there - all of them relocated when the re
tune took place it seems.

What I really want to know is what happened and why they relocated into
this odd place?

probably you haven't "re-tuned" but "added channesl".

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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:22:41 +0100, charles
wrote:

In article , whiskeyomega
wrote:
This is really a query as it has turned out not to be a problem as such.

My area went totally digital recently. We were told to retune the sets
and then on 30th Sept to re tune again. I retuned as required both times.

I have two TV sets, run off different aerials. One in the bedroom (
aerial in roof) and one in sitting room ( little aerial , indoor thing
sat next to TV). The big TV in the sitting room ( with small aerial)
retuned fine and all channels came in as required.

When I re tuned the second set in the bedroom I lost half the channels
and the message came up " No signal check antenna" . I was about to send
my OH up into the roof to turn the aerial but I accidently switched the
remote the wrong way and "found" all the missing channels located on 800
numbers. They are in no particular order. They fall amongst the radio
and teletext channels apparently randomly but they are all there. I
have channel 10, all the shopping channels, all five ( five usa and
fiver and channel five there, all Virgin and all the + 1 channels and
even ITV 1 and Channel 4 are there - all of them relocated when the re
tune took place it seems.

What I really want to know is what happened and why they relocated into
this odd place?

probably you haven't "re-tuned" but "added channesl".

Exactly. First you need to remove all of the previously stored
channels - look for something in the menu like 'clear' or 'delete' -
they scan again.

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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:22:41 +0100, charles
wrote:

In article , whiskeyomega
wrote:


probably you haven't "re-tuned" but "added channesl".

Exactly. First you need to remove all of the previously stored
channels - look for something in the menu like 'clear' or 'delete' -
they scan again.

I know you would all like to happily it seems pass this off as female error
but I did retune. I did not add extra channels.
The digibox came up as it always does and asked me to retune. I have done
it three times before because this was a regular thing over the previous few
weeks in my area.

I may not be an expert at anything technical but I can re tune a digi box.
Honest. Besides I was talking to my neighbors today and it seems that
several have had the same problem. Did we all get it wrong then?

Are there any other possibilities as to why these got moved?
As I said it is just curiosity really as they channels are there.

I would also like to know why my one TV managed to do itself happily and the
other retuned onto the 800 numbers - is this because the second set is old
( ten years) and has a digibox which is also old ? The digibox concerned
was one of the first ever produced and cost a lot of money at the time.
Thanks.

On 18/10/09 14:42, whiskeyomega wrote:

I know you would all like to happily it seems pass this off as female
error

Up until that reply, how likely would anyone have been to know you are
female?

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 18/10/09 14:42, whiskeyomega wrote:

I know you would all like to happily it seems pass this off as female
error

Up until that reply, how likely would anyone have been to know you are
female?

I have posted before on a different topic and I admitted to being female in
the title of that post - so a good probability they knew.;-)

But I am still asking if there is another reason these channels got shifted
on the one TV and not on the other. The other TV is brand new by the way.
I also posted asking for advice about that a few weeks ago.

Thanks for any possibles.

Andy Burns wrote:
On 18/10/09 14:42, whiskeyomega wrote:

I know you would all like to happily it seems pass this off as female
error

Up until that reply, how likely would anyone have been to know you are
female?

"I was about to send my OH up into the roof to turn the aerial" was a
bit of a giveaway.

Andy

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 18/10/09 14:42, whiskeyomega wrote:

I know you would all like to happily it seems pass this off as female
error

Up until that reply, how likely would anyone have been to know you are
female?

When it comes to re-tuning and so forth, quite often the woman acts dim but
can manage OK, whilst the bloke acts clever and gets into a muddle.

Bill

On 18/10/09 14:56, whiskeyomega wrote:

But I am still asking if there is another reason these channels got
shifted on the one TV and not on the other.

The usual reason is that the tuner already has e.g. BBC1 on channel 1,
so moves what it sees as a duplicate BBC1 into the 800's

Do both aerials point at the same transmitter?

Possibly the one with the loft aerial is picking up a weak distant
version of the signals from a distant transmitter before it sees the
strong local version? The poorer aerial downstairs might only see the
the stronger transmitter so has no problem.

I know you would all like to happily it seems pass this off as female
error but I did retune. I did not add extra channels.
The digibox came up as it always does and asked me to retune. I have done
it three times before because this was a regular thing over the previous
few weeks in my area.

SNIP

I retuned many boxes and TV's on the 30th Sept, and it is amazing how many
different methods were needed on the various makes and models of TV and box.
But you do say "The digibox came up as it always does and asked me to
retune" - and I know from my own TV that this prompted rescan does not then
do a full, total, rescan, and you then end up with channels in the 800
range. To do a full rescan of all channels you need to do a first-time
install, plug-and-play, or factory reset - as per the digitaluk
instructions:
a.. Switch on your Freeview TV or box and press 'menu' on the remote control
a.. Select the 'set up' or 'installation' option then 'first time
installation' option (sometimes called 'factory reset', 'full retune' or
'default settings').
a.. Press 'OK' if your equipment asks if you want to delete all your
channels Don't worry this is normal.
a.. If you are prompted for a code, try 0000 or 1234. Channels will be
automatically installed. Your equipment may shut down and restart.
I still got caught out by a Phillips TV, because the factory reset (that was
called plug-and-play on the Phillips TV) option was not available - I
checked the manual and it said 'the plug and play option is only available
in TV mode'. Now, as I was watching the TV at the time I assumed I was in
'TV mode', but after a while it dawned on me that they meant analogue TV
mode and not DTV mode! Once I switched to analogue and used the
plug-and-play, it got all the channels in the right places!
There is quite a big list of products with known issues, including some that
get the channels in the 800 range, on this page;
http://www.freeview.co.uk/freeview/R...September-2009
Maybe your problem box is on that list?