Analogue captions

Mark Carver wrote:
Bill Wright wrote:
"jamie powell" wrote in message

Personally I think these captions are a little too vague - they
automatically assume that people will know whether their current TV
is a digital TV, but many will not.

Why put such captions on the analogue service? It's just going to to
put the wind up the old folk.

There's just no proper thought or common sense being applied. The root
problem is the people in charge are the internet obsessed 20 somethings
who imagine because they're comfortable with new technology and buzz
words, than the entire UK population must be too.


Having worked with some of the IT and DVB "boffins" in the BBC, I would
further clarify that as the managers who decide these things. We were
frequently thwarted by the complete reversal of expert advice to the
mandarins!

It's all about marketing and massaging their egos.


Richard

Brian Gaff wrote:
Very true. You find the same thing with consultations etc, so when offcom
decided to do one for adding more audio description, they make it a
condition that you download their cover sheet and return it to them. Thus,
they cut out about three quarters of the public who use audio description,
I'd imagine.

Brian

Have you made the RNIB and OFCOM aware, Brian? And possibly BBC R & D?

While I was still working I got involved with improving the reliability
of the BBC's Audio Description, and there is a guy in R & D who is very
involved with it. If he hasn't retired early out of disgust with the
move to Manchester

Richard

On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 03:53:30 +0100, "Bill Wright"
wrote:


"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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2Bdecided wrote:


P.S. and it's not an age thing - it's an attitude thing.

I agree, but attitudes do change and/or are tempered as an individual
ages.

For instance, compare the number of teenage vandals with vandals in their
60s ?

I'm going to be a 60 year old vandal right now. I just went to the cupboard
for a rum, and the new bottle has a blue lock on the top, that says 'Are you
over 21?' The lock is a bulky thing, and how it got out of Tesco I don't
know. Wouldn't you just think the packer or the delivery man or my domestic
servant would have done something about this? Bah! Where's the axe?


A new expletive to be used when frustrated by a mechanical device:
"bluelocks".

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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If you mean those smartarsed types, who deliberately include unneccessary
technical terms and acronyms in day-to-day conversations with "ordinary
folk", even when they're just a lowly IT technician or media person or
whatever, then they're just "****s", basically - small men with big egos.

A basic misunderstanding Jamie. They have small undernourished egos, which
they are are attempting, in their pathetic way, to enhance.

It depends on what you define as "the ego" - I define it as their outer shell
of conceit. As to what lies beneath, I couldn't care less.



They do it in the hope it'll make people look up to them,

It's astonishing how some people never seem to learn that being like that
actually alienates people.

On the contrary, it invariably doesn't, because ordinary folk don't know
enough to realise that these people are spouting a load of rubbish and are, at
the same time, instinctively hard-wired to respect their 'self-assured' image.



and they always hate me because I glare at them and roll my eyes repeatedly
during their little performances, before blinding them with genuine science.
:-)
You should play their game for a while. Let them build up the 'expert'
persona then insert the killer question. It can be hilarious.


Trust me, I deal with them almost every day.

What is it that you do again? I forgot

His achievements and experience dwarf yours, I think.

There's a contest here?
He's had a 20+ year head start in any event.

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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"jamie powell" wrote in message
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"JohnT" wrote in message
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"jamie powell" wrote in message
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I'm 20, and well aware of the older generations' general lack of
technical understanding.


I am in my early 70s and am absolutely sure that I have forgotten more
than you will ever learn.

That's a big assumption - you don't know much about me or my career.

If you are 20 as you claim you haven't had a career.

Well, I worked as a programmer in the summer holidays when I was at school, if
that counts?
In fact... you've probably used one particular piece of my software without
realising it, but I'm not saying where or why.


I seldom even mention my academic and professional life on these groups.

If you are 20 as you claim you haven't had academic and professional life.

I've started both.
My degree involves *a lot* of complex stuff, which I shan't be discussing on
these groups; I stick firmly to my hobby of 'TV geeking' on here, with the
occasional random debate for light relief.

"jamie powell" wrote in message
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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"jamie powell" wrote in message
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"JohnT" wrote in message
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"jamie powell" wrote in message
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I'm 20, and well aware of the older generations' general lack of
technical understanding.


I am in my early 70s and am absolutely sure that I have forgotten more
than you will ever learn.

That's a big assumption - you don't know much about me or my career.

If you are 20 as you claim you haven't had a career.

Well, I worked as a programmer in the summer holidays when I was at
school, if that counts?
In fact... you've probably used one particular piece of my software
without realising it, but I'm not saying where or why.


I seldom even mention my academic and professional life on these groups.

If you are 20 as you claim you haven't had academic and professional
life.

I've started both.
My degree involves *a lot* of complex stuff, which I shan't be discussing
on these groups; I stick firmly to my hobby of 'TV geeking' on here, with
the occasional random debate for light relief.



Most of us who haven't yet killfiled you regard you as rather dim, and you
have said nothing above to negate that view.
--
JohnT

"jamie powell" wrote in message
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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If you mean those smartarsed types, who deliberately include
unneccessary technical terms and acronyms in day-to-day conversations
with "ordinary folk", even when they're just a lowly IT technician or
media person or whatever, then they're just "****s", basically - small
men with big egos.

A basic misunderstanding Jamie. They have small undernourished egos,
which they are are attempting, in their pathetic way, to enhance.

It depends on what you define as "the ego" - I define it as their outer
shell of conceit. As to what lies beneath, I couldn't care less.

You aren't at liberty to define words that have commonly understood
meanings, unless you want to live alone in a fantasy world. The ego is not
the facade that an individual present to society.

They do it in the hope it'll make people look up to them,

It's astonishing how some people never seem to learn that being like that
actually alienates people.

On the contrary, it invariably doesn't, because ordinary folk don't know
enough to realise that these people are spouting a load of rubbish and
are, at the same time, instinctively hard-wired to respect their
'self-assured' image.
'Ordinary folk' is I presume is your expression for everyone less clever
than yourself, which in your opinion is everyone. It will surprise you to
know that the majority of people learn by experience as time goes on to spot
a bull****ter, and become very good at it. This could be why your posts here
aren't always treated with the respect that you may feel they deserve.

What is it that you do again? I forgot

His achievements and experience dwarf yours, I think.

There's a contest here?

No, because it's definitely 'no contest'. I just wanted to put you in your
place.

Bill

On Oct 7, 6:45*pm, "Bill Wright" wrote:
"jamie powell" wrote in message

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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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If you mean those smartarsed types, who deliberately include
unneccessary technical terms and acronyms in day-to-day conversations
with "ordinary folk", even when they're just a lowly IT technician or
media person or whatever, then they're just "****s", basically - small
men with big egos.

A basic misunderstanding Jamie. They have small undernourished egos,
which they are are attempting, in their pathetic way, to enhance.

It depends on what you define as "the ego" - I define it as their outer
shell of conceit. As to what lies beneath, I couldn't care less.

You aren't at liberty to define words that have commonly understood
meanings, unless you want to live alone in a fantasy world. The ego is not
the facade that an individual present to society.

They do it in the hope it'll make people look up to them,

It's astonishing how some people never seem to learn that being like that
actually alienates people.

On the contrary, it invariably doesn't, because ordinary folk don't know
enough to realise that these people are spouting a load of rubbish and
are, at the same time, instinctively hard-wired to respect their
'self-assured' image.

'Ordinary folk' is I presume is your expression for everyone less clever
than yourself, which in your opinion is everyone. It will surprise you to
know that the majority of people learn by experience as time goes on to spot
a bull****ter, and become very good at it. This could be why your posts here
aren't always treated with the respect that you may feel they deserve.

What is it that you do again? I forgot

His achievements and experience dwarf yours, I think.

There's a contest here?

No, because it's definitely 'no contest'. I just wanted to put you in your
place.

If only Bill, if only.

"jamie powell" wrote in message
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Basically, I'm really smart, and there's nothing you can do about it.


Nobody likes a smart arse.


Really smart people are not wasting their valuable time jousting here.


Roger R

"JohnT" wrote in message
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"jamie powell" wrote in message
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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"jamie powell" wrote in message
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"JohnT" wrote in message
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"jamie powell" wrote in message
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I'm 20, and well aware of the older generations' general lack of
technical understanding.


I am in my early 70s and am absolutely sure that I have forgotten more
than you will ever learn.

That's a big assumption - you don't know much about me or my career.

If you are 20 as you claim you haven't had a career.

Well, I worked as a programmer in the summer holidays when I was at school,
if that counts?
In fact... you've probably used one particular piece of my software without
realising it, but I'm not saying where or why.


I seldom even mention my academic and professional life on these groups.

If you are 20 as you claim you haven't had academic and professional life.

I've started both.
My degree involves *a lot* of complex stuff, which I shan't be discussing
on these groups; I stick firmly to my hobby of 'TV geeking' on here, with
the occasional random debate for light relief.



Most of us who haven't yet killfiled you regard you as rather dim, and you
have said nothing above to negate that view.

So all of you who haven't yet killfiled me regard computer programmers and uni
undergraduates as "dim". I see.
And where do you meet in order to share your views on this?
Do you hold secret anti-jamie meetings - like a secret masonic society - but
one made up of bitter old men, as opposed to influential people with
connections in high places? That'd be great if so